More Riot PR Fails

[chemical_art]

I'm not sure about the fine, though; that would depend on the details of whatever agreement(s) were in place.  But I assume it was in there somewhere, at least in general form, or the team presumably would have said "Why should we pay you a dime?  Only governments and organized crime get to just take money." or something like that

As Volatar said, its deducted from winnings. A contract infraction or something I'm sure.

[Mánagarmr]

The fines are deducted from their winnings and donated to charity.

The thread that was linked twice already (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2663221) had detailed judgements on each and every event.

Ah, I can't access that forum from work. That explains it then. Were any other teams fined?

[Volatar]

The fines are deducted from their winnings and donated to charity.

The thread that was linked twice already (http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2663221) had detailed judgements on each and every event.

Ah, I can't access that forum from work. That explains it then. Were any other teams fined?

No. No other teams had any benefits from any head turns. They all had their head turns when they could already see the other team or when the game was about to be restarted anyways. They all just for warnings (which are not a joke by the way).

[Wingflier]

I was more worried that one team got fined, but the "rumors" state that several teams did this. Why weren't the other teams fined then?

Basically Riot judged that in only 1 case, did it make any real impact on the game, so that entire team was fined.

In other words, if the "cheating" had not made any impact on any game, nobody would have been fined.

Honestly I think it's Riot just trying to cover their asses and make a "scapegoat" to please the bloodthirsty masses.  You see this in pretty much every aspect of American Society.  Anytime there's a perceived social ill, somebody has to be blamed, and Riot would rather that somebody be an innocent team than themselves, even though they're definitely the main culprits here.

Blame transfer basically, that's what this entire situation has boiled down to.

[chemical_art]

Wouldn't blame transfer imply the blamed party is innocent?

When I first heard this I thought the offenders glanced from their monitor and could see the event, but now I see the competitors made a very significant turn, which demonstrates a clear and willful act was an attempt to gain an unfair advantage. They are in no shape or form innocent.

[Mánagarmr]

Right, thank you! I still think they should've just avoided the issue in the first place, rather than hike someone else up for it :/

[Wingflier]

Wouldn't blame transfer imply the blamed party is innocent?

When I first heard this I thought the offenders glanced from their monitor and could see the event, but now I see the competitors made a very significant turn, which demonstrates a clear and willful act was an attempt to gain an unfair advantage. They are in no shape or form innocent.

It's an unfair advantage?  I thought both sides could do it.  Wouldn't that be a fair advantage?

Remember that "Playing to Win" thread we had before?  Why shouldn't you use every advantage you can get when you're trying to win?

[chemical_art]

The same reason there no steroids in the Olympics. Why fog of war is in any MOBA game. Why a sports team cannot hear the conversations of the other team.

It is a leveled playing field.

If it was desired that the enemy side could be seen, there would be no fog of war. But there is, and it is a key element of the game.

Just because something you were not allowed to do in the past is possible to do now through a different environment suddenly doesn't make it ok. One side followed the rules, the other did not, the one who did not was punished.

It would be like a DotA game where one team put audio bugs into the other team's computers so they can listen to their conversations in game. It isn't in the rules, but any sense of rules would dictate it is not allowed, and just because they can manage to do so doesn't make it right or acceptable.

[Wingflier]

Just because something you were not allowed to do in the past is possible to do now through a different environment suddenly doesn't make it ok. One side followed the rules, the other did not, the one who did not was punished.

Okay, I'll grant you this, then why weren't all 4 teams that did it punished?

If just "breaking the rules" here is the cardinal offense, then where is the justice?  Why is breaking the rules only relevant when it (supposedly) affects the game?

The logic still breaks down here.  Riot was just looking for a scapegoat.

SECONDLY, and more importantly, the only time the players heard that looking at the screen was wrong, was when the Refs told them to face forward the entire match.  So some players disobeyed the referees.  In the end Riot concluded that (even in the game where it supposedly made a difference), it didn't affect the overall out come of the game.

So let me ask you this:  If a player disobeys a referee in Football, do we fine the entire team because of his actions?  No, because that's ridiculous.

Once again, Riot was looking for a scapegoat, when they themselves were the scapegoat.  If every team was doing it, then every team should have been punished, not just the team that "got caught".

[chemical_art]

If a player disobeyed a ref in a game they would be ejected, period. Whether it be a red card in soccer or whatever else you call it, that is what happens. In most sports teams a replacement could be brought in. In this situation, such an option was not possible.

Let me ask you this: What would be the uproar if a player was ejected for disagreeing with the ref because of this? I doubt the refs even have the authority to do so.

You are comparing apples to oranges. The uproar would be unprecedented as people claimed it was Riots fault.

As for the selective rule breaking:

If a player breaks a rule, and their team still loses, do you hit them as hard, or do you forgive them for a murky situation if it was unprecedented?

Again: What would be the uproar if everyone was hit? I'd be happy, you'd be happy, but many, many more people would be unhappy. They'd clamor its all Riots fault, the whole event is a sham, it is meaningless, etc.

So Riot took the safe route, take the most flagrant offense that made the greatest impact and didn't even eject them but fined them because it was an unprecedented situation.

In this way, they sent the message: Listen to the refs. And grow some morality / honor / dignity / sportsmanship / whatever you call not getting an unfair advantage that you have NEVER been allowed to have before ever.

[Wingflier]

Let me ask you this: What would be the uproar if a player was ejected for disagreeing with the ref because of this? I doubt the refs even have the authority to do so.

If there were no replacements to the player, they could have simply punished the team that was cheating by giving them a loss, not fining them money.  It makes more sense that the team that cheats should lose, but the reason it took so long to resolve this fiasco is because Riot flat-out LIED about it and DENIED it for so long that fining a team was the only option in the end.

http://i.imgur.com/dZ592.jpg

You are comparing apples to oranges. The uproar would be unprecedented as people claimed it was Riots fault.

IT IS Riot's fault, that's what you still seem to be missing.  You compared it to using steroids in the Olympics, but nobody gives you steroids to use, you would have to find them yourself.  What Riot did would be the equivalent to giving every player a steroid pill, then telling them not to use it.

Who's more to blame here, Riot, or the player?  The player wants to win, it means everything to him.  Riot is an idiot for giving him the steroid.  Riot has more blame here, period.

Again: What would be the uproar if everyone was hit? I'd be happy, you'd be happy, but many, many more people would be unhappy. They'd clamor its all Riots fault, the whole event is a sham, it is meaningless, etc.

I agree:  Hence, Riot is looking for a scapegoat instead of taking full responsibility.  You just admitted it.

So Riot took the safe route, take the most flagrant offense that made the greatest impact and didn't even eject them but fined them because it was an unprecedented situation.

Yes, the took the safe route of making a scapegoat of a single team instead of themselves, like any self-respecting company would have done instead.

In this way, they sent the message: Listen to the refs. And grow some morality / honor / dignity / sportsmanship / whatever you call not getting an unfair advantage that you have NEVER been allowed to have before ever.

No, they sent the message:  We're incompetent and we made a mistake but we'll never take responsibility for it, instead we'll blame a single team for taking advantage of our massive mistake, instead of punishing everybody who did.

Also, according to your logic, we shouldn't punish EVERYBODY who breaks the speed limit.  I mean the speed limit is just a number right?  Who cares.  No, we should only punish someone when they break the speed limit, and crash into an SUV instantly killing a mother and a child.  Great logic there - people should only be punished when their illegal actions have a negative effect on another person (or in this case, team).

[Volatar]

Wingflier, Riot is not some evil corporation. They are people that make mistakes, and they DID admit that the stage was a mistake, and have corrected it.

Your obvious hatred of Riot is tiring.

[Mánagarmr]

Wingflier, Riot is not some evil corporation. They are people that make mistakes, and they DID admit that the stage was a mistake, and have corrected it.

No, they're just quite incompetent.

Your obvious hatred of Riot is tiring.

Yes.

[Wingflier]

They only admitted it after blatantly lying about it, and only because of the massive pressure from the community to tell the truth.

Then when they actually investigated into it, they found that many teams were responsible for "cheating", but instead of punishing all or none of them, they selected one to be the scapegoat and please the bloodthirsty masses.

This on top of their long history of attempting the monopolize the genre through exclusivity contracts, blatantly lying to their players, then completely denying it unless there is damning evidence otherwise.

Yes, I think this is the epitome of an "evil" corporation, no matter how you define it. How can it honestly get any worse?

[Volatar]

their long history

I wasn't aware that a week was a long history.