Solution to Neinzul Fabricators

[keith.lamothe]

There is, in fact, an option to let people change their votes   Might be buried under one of those little boxes with a white plus on them.

[Wingflier]

Too late now ;p

[TechSY730]

There is, in fact, an option to let people change their votes   Might be buried under one of those little boxes with a white plus on them.

There is, but normal users can only set it on poll creation. Once the poll goes live, normal users cannot toggle it, not even during a poll reset.

Learned this one the hard way.

[zoutzakje]

oh in that case I vote option 5. Will be kind of odd to see regular neinzul ships that don't die automatically over time, but it certainly solves the issue.

[NickAragua]

I voted #5, but I'm a little concerned about the effect of non-decaying Neinzul ships. Maybe make them non-decaying in a limited fashion?

[TechSY730]

I voted #5, but I'm a little concerned about the effect of non-decaying Neinzul ships. Maybe make them non-decaying in a limited fashion?

Like self-attrition on enemy planets only? Sort of like what some of the Spirecraft do?

[Wingflier]

Don't see how the non-decaying of Neinzul ships is a balance concern at all.

You get like what?  ~20 Core Neinzul ships in your fleet that you can't repair or replace quickly?

Doesn't seem like a huge deal.  Any non-Neinzul Core fleet ship would probably be more effective in a fleet.

[chemical_art]

I am actually of the opinion that more core ships should get a unique twist rather then none having some, but the twist is not a direct stat boost. So core nenzul younglings don't decay. I actually would like to see this more often for core ships. Some core raider type ships get cloaking, for example.

Keep in mind this is only core ships. So in your AI games when they use younglings you can still use gravity to slay them. At least till you get to V, but at that point, isn't it meant to hurt?

[TechSY730]

I am actually of the opinion that more core ships should get a unique twist rather then none having some, but the twist is not a direct stat boost. So core nenzul younglings don't decay. I actually would like to see this more often for core ships. Some core raider type ships get cloaking, for example.

Sort of like how the Mk. V Spider bot used to be the Anti-Starship Arachnid, except we are talking about additions and variations that make the ship better instead of worse?

EDIT:
This seems like a great idea to pursue for the beta cycle where the next expansion is developed.

[keith.lamothe]

Sort of like how the Mk. V Spider bot used to be the Anti-Starship Arachnid, except we are talking about additions and variations that make the ship better instead of worse?

Oh the burn!

[TechSY730]

Sort of like how the Mk. V Spider bot used to be the Anti-Starship Arachnid, except we are talking about additions and variations that make the ship better instead of worse?

Oh the burn!

To be fair, the Anti-Starship Arachnid probably used to be better than the Spider Bot when this line of ships was first created. But as the Spider bot changed in balance, thanks to the fact that the special logic making the anti-starship arachnid use a different set of stats and properties than the normal scaling would dictate, the anti-starship arachnid did not "inherit" these balance changes, thus falling behind.

[Wingflier]

Does anyone use the Spider Bots?

[TechSY730]

Does anyone use the Spider Bots?

They aren't bad, but they don't really seem like they bring enough to the table for me to pick them as a bonus ship type. If I got one from an ARS unlock, I wouldn't complain too much though.
Basically, I think they could use a buff, but I don't think they would win a "Worst unit" poll.

[keith.lamothe]

Does anyone use the Spider Bots?

Wanderer got some good use out of them in his recent 10-planet Maze 10/10 AAR.

They're not spectacular, but they hit decently hard and the engine damage expands your tactical choices a bit particularly for dealing with otherwise-overwhelming defensive fleets.

[NickAragua]

Don't see how the non-decaying of Neinzul ships is a balance concern at all.

You get like what?  ~20 Core Neinzul ships in your fleet that you can't repair or replace quickly?

Doesn't seem like a huge deal.  Any non-Neinzul Core fleet ship would probably be more effective in a fleet.

Yeah, the thing is, I wasn't really concerned about non-decaying MK V Neinzul ships in human hands.