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Re: Raid engine + Viral Shredders = Van Neuman Machines deluxe
« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2010, 01:57:59 am »
If you do that, i could finally finish my super fortress = Defense problems solved !  ;D

Ok, but the chances for someone to meet the "perfect" situation for these shredders is low, given that i seem to be first to push them to actual swarm state

For most people they are probably too fragile in a full engagement (and they can't kill turrets so the ai will eventually secure that system, if it weren't for the marauders coming in)
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Re: Raid engine + Viral Shredders = Van Neuman Machines deluxe
« Reply #16 on: January 11, 2010, 01:59:44 am »
the gap in the wall is /exactly/ what i am referring to. 100% of the time I try to leave a single warp gate open for the AI to attack from. This single warp gate is either stocked to the brim with turrets in greater numbers than the raid coming through, or blockaded by the best my fleet has to offer.  this 'gap' in my warp-gate defense leaves the AI with but a single ingress point. And by Jove it takes the bait every single time.

In this case, it is not "taking the bait."  It is rule-bound to do so.  That's an example of where it is a scenario builder, and is more tower-defense than RTS. There is almost zero intelligence in where it chooses to attack, it's more about the scenario than being your opponent.  The gap in the wall thing comes in more with the tactical AI, where the actual units moving around in emergent/flocking ways don't fall into traps terribly often.

It's all semantics, when you really get down to it -- I want the tactical AI to be wicked smart and as good as possible, because that's what's interesting.  By the same token, I want the grand-strategic AI to be pretty rules-bound because that's what makes for a non-stressful game.  But, not so rules-bound that it becomes predictable -- except in the cases where the player is allowed to affect predictability, namely warp gates.  The thing about warp gates is that you always have to keep expanding, or you nearly always do, so that gap in the wall is always getting widened.

Ah, well -- I should be coding bugfixes; I'm going to go do that now.

On the bright side, I will actually have a chance to play a singleplayer campaign sometime this week - So i will certainly be pushing myself this time around. No more wimpy little 7.0 and random moderate..

Cool.  Have fun!
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Re: Raid engine + Viral Shredders = Van Neuman Machines deluxe
« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2010, 02:01:00 am »
If you do that, i could finally finish my super fortress = Defense problems solved !  ;D

Ok, but the chances for someone to meet the "perfect" situation for these shredders is low, given that i seem to be first to push them to actual swarm state

For most people they are probably too fragile in a full engagement (and they can't kill turrets so the ai will eventually secure that system, if it weren't for the marauders coming in)

True. Let's leave them as they are for 3.0, gather more data, and see what happens.  I like your idea of making them give more resources back, but with the addendum of them taking more energy to run in the first place.  Nice risk/reward there.  But, for now let's table it.  Cool scenario you set up there, anyway.  And now, really, back to bugfixing...
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Re: Raid engine + Viral Shredders = Van Neuman Machines deluxe
« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2010, 04:08:42 am »
Just as a heads up, the ai now countered my blades with snipers and sentinels MK3 (immunity to blades, bleh!) everywhere, though i still use them for wormhole defense i had to switch to my normal fleet and stop the raid engine for eternity, i still have about 1400 shredders though ;p

The downside is that system that was my breeding ground now has a lot of mobile ships that count as threat.. hopefully they don't decide to come visit anytime soon ,p
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Re: Raid engine + Viral Shredders = Van Neuman Machines deluxe
« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2010, 04:09:36 am »
Well, it all works out fairly evenly, then. :)
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Re: Raid engine + Viral Shredders = Van Neuman Machines deluxe
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2010, 04:28:43 am »
Past failure is not predictive of future failure
 
True, but on the other hand one famous quote states that insanity is "performing a task repeatedly and expecting different outcomes". And yes i dropped the rest of that sentence on purpose ;) :D

Oh and this is basically a free force manufacturing machine isn't it?
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Re: Raid engine + Viral Shredders = Van Neuman Machines deluxe
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2010, 08:19:39 am »
Incidentally, it's "von" Neumann - the Germanic form.  :)

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« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2010, 08:22:11 am »
True dat is!  ::) As german i am now mightly embarrassed!
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Re: Raid engine + Viral Shredders = Van Neuman Machines deluxe
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2010, 08:25:06 am »
True dat is!  ::) As german i am now mightly embarrassed!
I wasn't going to say anything because i thought you might have been referring to something else :)
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Re: Raid engine + Viral Shredders = Von Neumann Machines deluxe
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2010, 08:32:35 am »
I wanted to write Van Hellsing, i blame anime
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Re: Raid engine + Viral Shredders = Von Neumann Machines deluxe
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2010, 12:37:06 pm »
What the hell is a Von Neumann Machine?   :D
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Re: Raid engine + Viral Shredders = Von Neumann Machines deluxe
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2010, 12:54:35 pm »
Self Replicating Machines  ;D (actually i think Von Neumann just formulated the theory of them, way before nano technology existed)
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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2010, 04:05:42 pm »
I wish my money was such a thing. That'd be coooooool  $_$
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Re: Raid engine + Viral Shredders = Von Neumann Machines deluxe
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2010, 09:07:38 pm »
I thought they were a kind of computer..... :S
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Re: Raid engine + Viral Shredders = Von Neumann Machines deluxe
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2010, 10:02:22 am »
Well they are, if you have self-replicating machines with a 1ghz cpu each (so it can, u know, move around and build copies), when you have a million of those machines, communicating together.. 1ghz x 1 million = alotta computing power O_o

Hell i wouldnt be surprised if there's a planet somewhere out there that is jam packed with self-replicating machines (until they run out of resources), pretty much resulting in a "thinking planet".
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