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Should fleet caps be made the same accross marks?

Yes, fleet ship caps by mark are equal (ie cap of 98 mkIV triangles, etc).
27 (65.9%)
No.
14 (34.1%)

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Offline Faulty Logic

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Poll: Should fleet caps be made the same across all marks?
« on: July 28, 2012, 09:43:49 pm »
Keith has now teased us about this a couple of times. I heartily approve, but was wondering what the community thought.

Note that different fleet ships would still have different caps relative to one another, so  the SBS cap (for example) would be 5 of all marks.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2012, 01:36:47 pm by Faulty Logic »
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Re: Poll: Should fleet caps be made the same?
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2012, 09:46:11 pm »
I do too, for both the ai and player.

Biggest reason why I don't go above MK II in any game. I fee like I'm throwing away research that is already inflated (in both k and resources).

Same reason why I don't go above 2 in multi-hw games.
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Re: Poll: Should fleet caps be made the same?
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2012, 09:48:01 pm »
Err, I really don't know yet. With proper knowledge costs and costs for the AI, the current system of ship caps is balancible (and is actually quite close to it now), but I can see why making all caps (for normal ships) constant across marks would be easier to balance. At the same time, I sort of like thematically how you can make less of the good stuff, and the AI has to "pay" more for them as well.

So, all in all, I don't really have an opinion on this. However, I would like to see where this discussion goes. :)
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Offline Martyn van Buren

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Re: Poll: Should fleet caps be made the same?
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2012, 10:51:26 pm »
As in every ship would have the same cap as each other or each ship would have the same cap at all Marks?
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Re: Poll: Should fleet caps be made the same?
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2012, 10:54:43 pm »
Personally I like the lower-cap-as-you-go-up mechanic.  With advances in technology it makes sense (to me) that quality becomes more important than quantity.
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Offline TechSY730

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Re: Poll: Should fleet caps be made the same?
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2012, 10:57:15 pm »
Quote from: Martyn van Buren on July 28, 2012, 10:51:26 pm
As in every ship would have the same cap as each other or each ship would have the same cap at all Marks?

Each ship would have the same cap at all marks. Like the Sentinal frigate Mk. I would still have cap of 19 and the triangle ships Mk. I would still have a cap of 98. But under this new cap system, Sentinal frigates Mk. II-IV would still have a cap of 19, and so would the triangle ships Mk. II-V still have a cap of 98.

Implementing this new cap system would also imply re-balancing per Mk. costs for both humans and the AI   (especially knowledge for the humans, and Mk. wave multipliers for the AI), so don't worry about that.
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Offline Faulty Logic

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Re: Poll: Should fleet caps be made the same?
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2012, 10:58:01 pm »
Each ship would have the same cap at all marks.

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Offline Martyn van Buren

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Re: Poll: Should fleet caps be made the same?
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2012, 11:02:39 pm »
That doesn't sound terribly harmful but I for me it wouldn't be worth the work of rebalancing; there are a lot of confusing aspects to this game, but I've never found the diminishing caps to be one of them.
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Re: Poll: Should fleet caps be made the same?
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2012, 11:52:12 pm »
I'm in favor of the diminishing caps, it makes the higher mark ships feel "special" and "elite".  If needed they could be balanced as if they had the Mark I cap instead of a linear balance increase (So for example if a Mark I Fighter has a cap of 100, then instead of just being twice a powerful as a Mark I Fighter with a lower cap, the Mark II Fighter would have a capfleet strength equal to 200 Mark I Fighters, even if their capfleet is only 85).  I think that would solve the diminishing returns problem while keeping the "few and elite" feeling of high mark ships.  But it would also require a major rebalance, so...

Yeah, I'm gonna vote keep-as-is.
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Offline doctorfrog

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Re: Poll: Should fleet caps be made the same?
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2012, 01:35:49 am »
I think caps should be removed entirely...


... And be replaced by tiny hats.
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Offline Mánagarmr

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Re: Poll: Should fleet caps be made the same?
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2012, 12:51:26 pm »
Hmmm, I'm cautiously positive...
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Re: Poll: Should fleet caps be made the same?
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2012, 02:20:57 pm »
Quote from: chemical_art on July 28, 2012, 09:46:11 pm
I do too, for both the ai and player.

Biggest reason why I don't go above MK II in any game. I fee like I'm throwing away research that is already inflated (in both k and resources).

Same reason why I don't go above 2 in multi-hw games.
Unlocking MarkIIIs is a waste of Knowledge unless you have an easy access to an Advanced Factory.
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Re: Poll: Should fleet caps be made the same?
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2012, 03:55:27 pm »
Voted yes simply because its more intuitive.
Balance can be built around either option, i dont think there are any problems with that.
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Offline TechSY730

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Re: Poll: Should fleet caps be made the same?
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2012, 04:47:31 pm »
@FaultyLogic
Can you turn on the ability to see vote results so far without having to vote? I would like to see what the tally is so far without voting, as I don't really care.

You should be able to do it by editing the poll.
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Re: Poll: Should fleet caps be made the same?
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2012, 05:12:56 pm »
Threw a yes vote in for one main reason: if ship caps get balanced around multiples of 8 so they scale perfectly from High caps down to Ultra-Low caps, scaling ship caps by Mark can't help but break that after Mark I.
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