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Title: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: ptarth on February 21, 2016, 08:46:33 PM
[edit from chris: split from here: https://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,18529.msg199930.html#msg199930]

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...freaking volunteers...

That's rough talk coming from someone making a Robot Dating Sim.
 :P
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Misery on February 21, 2016, 09:10:38 PM
freaking volunteers

I approve of this term. 



That's rough talk coming from someone making a Robot Dating Sim.
 :P

...what.

I missed a joke somewhere.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: ptarth on February 21, 2016, 09:17:11 PM
See the following post specifically where the next Arcen project was uncovered. Further discovers follow in the thread:
https://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,18540.msg199233.html#msg199233
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: x4000 on February 21, 2016, 09:37:27 PM
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...freaking volunteers...

That's rough talk coming from someone making a Robot Dating Sim.
 :P

I'm not complaining that you guys are around, just that I'm not paying you.  You guys are exactly the ones I'd want doing this sort of work at this point, because holy cow you're doing amazing.  I realize that the prior post could have come off REALLY wrong, as if I was unhappy with the volunteers.  Quite the opposite. :)
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: x4000 on February 21, 2016, 09:39:05 PM

That's rough talk coming from someone making a Robot Dating Sim.
 :P

...what.

I missed a joke somewhere.

See the following post specifically where the next Arcen project was uncovered. Further discovers follow in the thread:
https://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,18540.msg199233.html#msg199233

The irony being that Misery was involved heavily in the original thread, too.  I think it got so odd he just blocked it out of his memory. ;)
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: crazyroosterman on February 21, 2016, 10:08:09 PM

That's rough talk coming from someone making a Robot Dating Sim.
 :P

...what.

I missed a joke somewhere.

See the following post specifically where the next Arcen project was uncovered. Further discovers follow in the thread:
https://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,18540.msg199233.html#msg199233

The irony being that Misery was involved heavily in the original thread, too.  I think it got so odd he just blocked it out of his memory. ;)
wait what? since when was it a joke that chris was making a robot dating sim?(with survival elements of course) me and ptarth had great ideas that could work really well for this also its going to be on kick starter? should work out well for you.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Cinth on February 21, 2016, 10:10:16 PM
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...freaking volunteers...

That's rough talk coming from someone making a Robot Dating Sim.
 :P

I'm not complaining that you guys are around, just that I'm not paying you.  You guys are exactly the ones I'd want doing this sort of work at this point, because holy cow you're doing amazing.  I realize that the prior post could have come off REALLY wrong, as if I was unhappy with the volunteers.  Quite the opposite. :)

I'm with Misery on this.  I approve.  I also put forth that all email communications from this point forward be titled freaking volunteers  ;D
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Captain Jack on February 22, 2016, 01:42:54 AM
wait what? since when was it a joke that chris was making a robot dating sim?(with survival elements of course) me and ptarth had great ideas that could work really well for this also its going to be on kick starter? should work out well for you.
Pffft. Robots are so last year (or whenever Choice of Robots came out). They're done, played out!

It's T-Rexes. (read right to left)

(http://i.imgur.com/UPV5viR.png?1)

so I'm trying to get to a point where our new game is ready for kickstarter
*record scratch sound effect*

HOLD THE PHONE.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: TheVampire100 on February 22, 2016, 04:12:26 AM
Lol, where is this from? Is this areal thing or just a comic that mocks the whole romance fantasy manga thing?
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Captain Jack on February 22, 2016, 06:20:14 AM
Lol, where is this from? Is this areal thing or just a comic that mocks the whole romance fantasy manga thing?
Perfectly real! (http://kissmanga.com/Manga/T-REX-na-Kanojo)  :P
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Misery on February 22, 2016, 06:35:44 AM
*walks into room*

*sees dinosaur things*

*walks back out*
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: ptarth on February 22, 2016, 06:46:52 AM
*sees dinosaur things*

Um, all dinosaurs in those images were all wearing clothes. I'm not sure what you are talking about.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Pumpkin on February 22, 2016, 06:51:01 AM
Speaking of that... I would be really hyped to hear about these new under-the-hood projects, Chris. I'm looking forward to see your kickstarter (my credit card is waiting near my keyboard, ready for action!) but don't you think your "freaking volunteers" deserve a little peek behind the curtain?

Okay, I beg...
Please please please please please pls pls pls
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Misery on February 22, 2016, 07:13:33 AM
Speaking of that... I would be really hyped to hear about these new under-the-hood projects, Chris. I'm looking forward to see your kickstarter (my credit card is waiting near my keyboard, ready for action!) but don't you think your "freaking volunteers" deserve a little peek behind the curtain?

Okay, I beg...
Please please please please please pls pls pls

If he tries to give just a peek, it's a decent probability that the entire curtain rack will just fall right off the window.  Maybe better that he doesnt  :P 

And the low quality of that joke says it's about time for bed.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Cinth on February 22, 2016, 07:22:41 AM
Speaking of that... I would be really hyped to hear about these new under-the-hood projects, Chris. I'm looking forward to see your kickstarter (my credit card is waiting near my keyboard, ready for action!) but don't you think your "freaking volunteers" deserve a little peek behind the curtain?

Okay, I beg...
Please please please please please pls pls pls

Some of us already have a full plate with what's going on vs upcoming stuff.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: x4000 on February 22, 2016, 01:38:35 PM
Pretty much in terms of the curtain rack, yeah.

Though I WILL say, I do think that I'll have a way to turn into a velociraptor and rage around.  Not as a major part of the game, just as one sort of... side thing.  I dunno, maybe it will be a kickstarter stretch goal and I'll build it out in more depth with that.  I was strongly considering mounting turrets on the side of a raptor as your main character for a little while, but I've wisely changed my mind. ;)
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Captain Jack on February 22, 2016, 03:52:46 PM
Pretty much in terms of the curtain rack, yeah.

Though I WILL say, I do think that I'll have a way to turn into a velociraptor and rage around.  Not as a major part of the game, just as one sort of... side thing.  I dunno, maybe it will be a kickstarter stretch goal and I'll build it out in more depth with that.  I was strongly considering mounting turrets on the side of a raptor as your main character for a little while, but I've wisely changed my mind. ;)
Oh! Oh. So it's for THAT project...

Hey you know what would make a good title? Something that invokes bringing dinosaurs to life. And mixing dinosaur and human DNA. Like... "Jurassic Wor--" [is shot]

(and the dinosaurs can be aliens!)
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: x4000 on February 22, 2016, 03:54:14 PM
You know, outside of Blue, I think that Watashiwa probably knows more about this project than anybody.  Keith and Pablo know a bit less about it than him.  He's helping me come up with a title, so...
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Captain Jack on February 22, 2016, 03:58:22 PM
You know, outside of Blue, I think that Watashiwa probably knows more about this project than anybody.  Keith and Pablo know a bit less about it than him.  He's helping me come up with a title, so...
looks at email chain

I might know more than Blue at this point, maybe? But I actually thought that your KS plans were for Arcen's Worst Kept Secret, so you saw my brain actually switching gears.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: x4000 on February 22, 2016, 03:59:54 PM
Yeah, you know more than Blue.  The KS plans would be for two -- the other one and this one, but at different times of the year.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Captain Jack on February 22, 2016, 04:04:29 PM
Yeah, you know more than Blue.  The KS plans would be for two -- the other one and this one, but at different times of the year.
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lzzhpzrvau1qegbwao1_r2_500.gif)

Iiiiiiinteresting. Two separate Kickstarters or one big "fund Arcen for a year" deal?

EDIT: Also, we're so far off topic that we might be well served splitting the last fifteen or so posts into its own thread.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: crazyroosterman on February 22, 2016, 04:16:51 PM
Pretty much in terms of the curtain rack, yeah.

Though I WILL say, I do think that I'll have a way to turn into a velociraptor and rage around.  Not as a major part of the game, just as one sort of... side thing.  I dunno, maybe it will be a kickstarter stretch goal and I'll build it out in more depth with that.  I was strongly considering mounting turrets on the side of a raptor as your main character for a little while, but I've wisely changed my mind. ;)
Oh! Oh. So it's for THAT project...

Hey you know what would make a good title? Something that invokes bringing dinosaurs to life. And mixing dinosaur and human DNA. Like... "Jurassic Wor--" [is shot]

(and the dinosaurs can be aliens!)
hey he's an idea how about the dinosaurs also be robotic or at least partly?. edit wait a minute if its going to have turrets does that mean it'll actually be a robot dinosaur? if so then I might actually use kick starter for the first time in my life.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: steelwing on February 22, 2016, 04:21:30 PM
Though I WILL say, I do think that I'll have a way to turn into a velociraptor and rage around.  Not as a major part of the game, just as one sort of... side thing.  I dunno, maybe it will be a kickstarter stretch goal and I'll build it out in more depth with that.  I was strongly considering mounting turrets on the side of a raptor as your main character for a little while,
DINOSAURS WITH TURRETS!!  :o
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/264/241/9e9.gif)
 8) :D ;)
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: steelwing on February 22, 2016, 04:25:42 PM
But I actually thought that your KS plans were for Arcen's Worst Kept Secret,
It can't be Arcen's worst-kept secret, considering I don't know about it.  I tend to learn about "secrets" right about the ttime they're no longer technically secret anymore. :P
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: crazyroosterman on February 22, 2016, 04:32:39 PM
derailing threads is so much fun isn't it?.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: x4000 on February 22, 2016, 04:35:38 PM
Here, now there's a subforum for this particular derailment.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Captain Jack on February 22, 2016, 04:36:13 PM
But I actually thought that your KS plans were for Arcen's Worst Kept Secret,
It can't be Arcen's worst-kept secret, considering I don't know about it.  I tend to learn about "secrets" right about the ttime they're no longer technically secret anymore. :P
(http://finno.com/secret.gif)

Here, now there's a subforum for this particular derailment.
Hooray, I contributed to ongoing social disruption!
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: crazyroosterman on February 22, 2016, 04:37:26 PM
But I actually thought that your KS plans were for Arcen's Worst Kept Secret,
It can't be Arcen's worst-kept secret, considering I don't know about it.  I tend to learn about "secrets" right about the ttime they're no longer technically secret anymore. :P
(http://finno.com/secret.gif)

Here, now there's a subforum for this particular derailment.
Hooray, I contributed to ongoing social disruption!
three cheers to us! for derailment!.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Draco18s on February 22, 2016, 04:47:38 PM
Though I WILL say, I do think that I'll have a way to turn into a velociraptor and rage around.

Good sir, velociraptors are noble and intelligent beasts.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: crazyroosterman on February 22, 2016, 04:48:38 PM
Though I WILL say, I do think that I'll have a way to turn into a velociraptor and rage around.

Good sir, velociraptors are noble and intelligent beasts.
what about robotic velociraptors?.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Draco18s on February 22, 2016, 04:52:31 PM
Good question.  I haven't actually met Raptor-Tron 2000.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Captain Jack on February 22, 2016, 04:54:31 PM
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/farcry/images/2/22/Far-Cry-3-Blood-Dragon.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130502225628)
Far Cry Blood Dragon is literally the best thing to come out of that franchise.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: x4000 on February 22, 2016, 04:59:15 PM
Though I WILL say, I do think that I'll have a way to turn into a velociraptor and rage around.

Good sir, velociraptors are noble and intelligent beasts.

If I believed in things like "spirit animals" and such nonsense, a raptor would be mine.  Or more likely a deinonychus.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: crazyroosterman on February 22, 2016, 05:02:13 PM
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/farcry/images/2/22/Far-Cry-3-Blood-Dragon.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130502225628)
Far Cry Blood Dragon is literally the best thing to come out of that franchise.
isn't that sort of robotic? if so that's pretty rad now that I think about it theoretically having robotic types of creatures to encounter in the big wide world would be pretty sweet.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Draco18s on February 22, 2016, 05:52:54 PM
If I believed in things like "spirit animals" and such nonsense, a raptor would be mine.  Or more likely a deinonychus.

They're all dromaeosauridae.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: TheVampire100 on February 22, 2016, 06:57:22 PM
Lol, where is this from? Is this areal thing or just a comic that mocks the whole romance fantasy manga thing?
Perfectly real! (http://kissmanga.com/Manga/T-REX-na-Kanojo)  :P
Kill me.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Draco18s on February 22, 2016, 07:00:03 PM
I probably shouldn't mention Monster Musume then.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: x4000 on February 22, 2016, 07:07:19 PM
If I believed in things like "spirit animals" and such nonsense, a raptor would be mine.  Or more likely a deinonychus.

They're all dromaeosauridae.

Good sir, you don't have to inform me of the fact!  My issue with the velociraptor is actually that the movie representations of them were oversized, and I prefer the members of their group that are actually that size, heh.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: ptarth on February 22, 2016, 07:20:29 PM
It was my understanding the size was based upon Utahraptor ostrommaysorum. Which due to Wikipedia I can say with a straight face.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: crazyroosterman on February 22, 2016, 07:41:24 PM
so are there going to be robotic dinosaurs at all? I feel that this game would be surely lacking if it didn't?.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: chemical_art on February 22, 2016, 07:44:27 PM
There is something very primal about loving dinosaurs. I didn't think I would adore them so much. This has proven me wrong.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: x4000 on February 22, 2016, 08:23:21 PM
Yeah, Utahraptor.  It would be my favorite for a variety of reasons -- and it is in Valley 1 or 2, I can't remember which -- but... that name.  So deinonychus it is, because the name sounds coolest.

A couple of points, though:

1. Dinosaurs are a really minor part of this in general.
2. There are a lot of other cool monsters, aliens, robots, and so on.  Most of them not humanoid, but some humanoid.
3. I'm not sure about robot dinos, but maybe.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Cinth on February 22, 2016, 08:36:11 PM
Yeah, Utahraptor.  It would be my favorite for a variety of reasons -- and it is in Valley 1 or 2, I can't remember which -- but... that name.  So deinonychus it is, because the name sounds coolest.

Utahraptor - AVVW 1
deinonychus - AVVW2
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: x4000 on February 22, 2016, 08:38:04 PM
Yeah, Utahraptor.  It would be my favorite for a variety of reasons -- and it is in Valley 1 or 2, I can't remember which -- but... that name.  So deinonychus it is, because the name sounds coolest.

Utahraptor - AVVW 1
deinonychus - AVVW2

You would think I would remember that, but yeah.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Cinth on February 22, 2016, 08:45:32 PM
Yeah, Utahraptor.  It would be my favorite for a variety of reasons -- and it is in Valley 1 or 2, I can't remember which -- but... that name.  So deinonychus it is, because the name sounds coolest.

Utahraptor - AVVW 1
deinonychus - AVVW2

You would think I would remember that, but yeah.

I looked it up (quick search through the patch notes).  I played AVVW 1/2 a ton and didn't remember 100%. 

Cool fact:  Utahraptor made an early beta appearance in AVVW2.  Placeholder graphic.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Draco18s on February 23, 2016, 12:56:43 AM
Good sir, you don't have to inform me of the fact!  My issue with the velociraptor is actually that the movie representations of them were oversized, and I prefer the members of their group that are actually that size, heh.

I didn't think I did!

Speaking of utahraptor, the life reconstruction image on Wikipedia was drawn by someone I know of another friend's character.
Here's his steam avatar:
(http://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steamcommunity/public/images/avatars/91/917002f7594f1058eda5d44f24471c18e34d14ce_full.jpg)

The distinguishing markings on the muzzle and neck are clearly visible in the image on Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utahraptor#/media/File:Utahraptor_updated.png).

Remember folks, dine on a kiss (http://d.facdn.net/art/ixerin/1391222940/1391222940.ixerin_dine_on_a_kiss.png)!
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: Professor Paul1290 on February 25, 2016, 04:00:23 PM
Wait...  Kickstarter?

Is that really a good idea?

I mean, the problem with Kickstarter is that you then have a pool of stakeholders who are attached to the initial project plan and not to what the project will be, and that has consequences for mid-project flexibility.
That seems to run directly against to how you guys do development.

Not to mention Kickstarter success has historically banked on existing fanbase as well as strength of first impression, which is also an area you don't have a good record on.

If you need funding, would Patreon be worth considering?
It's not as big as Kickstarter, but it can focus donations more towards the general works of a creator rather than an individual project, which is not quite as bad for mid-project flexibility.
Title: Re: Insane discussion split of dinosaurs and turrets and freaking volunteers.
Post by: x4000 on February 25, 2016, 04:07:04 PM
This project is... different.  Normally I completely agree with you.  But I think this one will both make a strong first impression, and it's not something that is going to have much in the way of design shifts throughout development.  I pretty much know exactly what I want out of this, because for the first time since the original AI War, I'm like "nobody builds this thing I want to play with someone, so f it I guess I'll do it."  My wife and I have been playing survival games together since 2009, and we want to keep doing so, but everything on the market has various issues that keep us from wanting to play them.  We have a pretty specific list of what we're looking for, and I aim to have all that in place before we even start a kickstarter.

Do I generally see kickstarter as a great idea for a company like Arcen?  No.  But that also doesn't mean I won't ever use it.  I see it as a marketing tool as much as anything else in this particular case.