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Score-based puzzle, pretty hard. Feedback welcome!

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jkefka:
I've heard the scoring system is still in a bit of flux, so this puzzle may need tweaking to work with later releases, but here it is in its first state.  I know of one solution, but it's possible there are others, and I'd love to see them!  That said, and this is the only hint I'll give, I am almost certain that you HAVE to do it with only one click, so if you come up with a solution feel free to post a capture of it before you set it off here.  I can also provide my solution on request, though I'm going to let other people try to figure it out first :P  The image here is the starting configuration.



Have fun!

keith.lamothe:
Cool! :)

This is a good example of a very different type of "game" within the fairly broad engine; though I guess in this case it's pretty close to the "you must clear this in one move" puzzles, but the restriction is much softer, and in theory could really be its own branch of puzzle.

Any feedback on the level editor?  I'm planning to add undo when the feature set is more stable.  More objective types are also planned, that sort of thing.  But if you have any "I really wish it could do this...", please let me know.

Best,
Keith

jkefka:
The level editor is pretty smooth, I have to say.  One minor quibble I have is that the control pane blocks off part of the grid on my display (this on my macbook, it may be less of an issue on my winbox at home).  Generally, at least being able to move that around would be nice.

Also, I might like the ability to swap blocks that I've already placed on the board, rather than replacing them individually.  I don't know what the best way to go about that interface-wise would be, but especially for tweaking puzzle levels like this one it would be a little more convenient to be able to drag something that's already on the board to another position on the board directly.  An "undo" function might also be nice.

If you want to get really slick, you could put in little icons next to the board itself that allow you to add or subtract rows and columns on the fly, but I would regard that as a luxury rather than a necessity.  Being able to "rewind" your tests or have them play at a slower speed would also be very cool for designing more intricate puzzles, though again this is something that would be more of a luxury.


EDIT: Whoops, I see you already mentioned the undo feature.

Also, your comment about the puzzle type is exactly right.  The neat thing about score-based puzzles is that, in theory, there are multiple ways of achieving the same end.  For the initial build, I made the score cap very close to what is (as far as I can tell, at least) the highest possible score on the level, but if you cut that in half it would still be challenging, but there would probably be more ways to do it.  I threw this together during my lunch-break (ok it spilled over by a half-hour or so) and haven't played around with it more than I needed to to make it work, so there's a whole lot of options with this puzzle and this kind of puzzle that could be explored.

keith.lamothe:

--- Quote from: jkefka on April 16, 2010, 01:44:43 pm ---The level editor is pretty smooth, I have to say.
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Glad to hear it :)  There's a fair bit left to add, but the general feel should remain the same.


--- Quote ---One minor quibble I have is that the control pane blocks off part of the grid on my display (this on my macbook, it may be less of an issue on my winbox at home).  Generally, at least being able to move that around would be nice.
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Hmm, it won't move as is? ... Yea, just fired it up, and I'm able to drag the "Level Editor" palette window by left-click-and-drag on the actual "Level Editor" header text (or to the left or right of it).  I think the mechanic could be made more apparent, but does that work for you?


--- Quote ---Also, I might like the ability to swap blocks that I've already placed on the board, rather than replacing them individually.
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You mean clicking on block1 on the grid and then clicking on block2 on the grid and having it switch the positions of block1 and block2? ... Oh, later on it sounds like you basically mean click-and-drag for blocks, like with sprites in the Theme Editor.  Sounds doable, just want to make sure I understand.


--- Quote ---An "undo" function might also be nice.
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Personally I'd find it pretty necessary for serious editing, though folks have different habits using this sort of thing. Haven't done undo yet since the feature set is in flux, we were on a tight timeframe, and it will mean quite a bit of overhaul to basically turn every action into an entity.


--- Quote ---If you want to get really slick, you could put in little icons next to the board itself that allow you to add or subtract rows and columns  on the fly, but I would regard that as a luxury rather than a necessity.
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Hmm, I don't think that would be difficult to do, though I'm thinking it may confuse folks with all those extra buttons... perhaps an alternate mode triggered by the Other button and/or a special keypress (one for add row/col, one for subtract row/col).  I'm not sure we'll have enough editor-polish time for something like this, depends on what other cool ideas we have to implement, but I'll keep it in mind :) 


--- Quote ---Being able to "rewind" your tests or have them play at a slower speed would also be very cool for designing more intricate puzzles, though again this is something that would be more of a luxury.
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Rewinding the simulation is pretty much out, iirc; it's not impossible but it's several metric tons of work.  Basically I'd suggest video capturing and going off that for a frame-by-frame analysis.  But sim-slowdown is already in, I believe, though perhaps not exposed via a keybind to the end-user.

Thanks for the feedback :)
Keith

jkefka:
Ah, you're right about the drag-and-drop.  It does work for me, I just didn't know it was there.  You could probably make that transparent just by adding a little line to make that look like a title bar, so people recognize it as something you can drag around.

As for the block-swapping, I was thinking either the click-one-and-then-the-other method or the drag and drop method would work.  I personally would prefer the drag-and-drop just because it feels a little more intuitive for me, but I also figured that it might be harder to implement.

New general game hitch, though: I'm getting all kinds of glitches trying to change my resolution.  That's likely to be a macbook thing, I'll pin down exactly what the symptoms are and put it in a bug rept.  I only bring this up because if I could push up to a slightly higher resolution the window would be out of the way, as you can see it's currently just a little awkwardly big on my screen.



Oh, I had another idea I forgot to mention: while the drop-down block select, direction select, special block select thing works pretty well, I actually found myself wishing for a kind of palette, at least for the color blocks.  I'm thinking a color palette as small icons in a grid to the right of the "current block" pane (you could do a 3x3 or something), and just spacing out the drop-downs for direction and special blocks.

Also, while using the arrow keys for navigating around the grid is not a bad idea (are you planning to give it the option of a keyboard-only interface at some point?), I would actually prefer the arrow keys be hotkeys for the direction of the block you're placing.  Obviously this is suboptimal for the bidirectional blocks, but for your standard up/down/left/right blocks I think it would be just a little quicker.

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