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Offline Aklyon

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Re: WTF is... The Last Federation
« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2014, 06:10:59 pm »
Didn't know TotalSpaceBiscuit helped as well. :P

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Re: WTF is... The Last Federation
« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2014, 06:21:30 pm »
I agree with TB in one regard, the whole "land battles" aspect of the game seems to be handled very badly. I as well have found no way to determine which races actually excel at "ground invasions", or even how to tell if ground invasions are happening in the first place, who is winning, or what is going on whatsoever. Basically, from the player's perspective, a native planet is being surrounded by a swarm of foreign ships, then eventually it's conquered. There's really no indication or explanation of when or how the ground battling begins.

Before I played the game (reading about it before it even went into Alpha), with all the nuances and effort the developers put into the unique attributes for each race, especially in terms of their space and land invasion differences, I simply assumed that ground combat would have its own "simulation" itself, or at least a very visible indicator of how the battle was going. What we got instead were a few obscure numbers, difficult to find, it's such a huge part of the game and yet seems to be so difficult for the player to be involved in it.

Like I said, it could just be that both myself and TB never figured out how to "view" this part of the game, and if so I'd love to know how to do that.
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Re: WTF is... The Last Federation
« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2014, 06:31:54 pm »
Now #7 on Top Sellers, right behind Goat Simulator.
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Re: WTF is... The Last Federation
« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2014, 07:44:13 pm »
Cant say I'm overly fond of the guy either.... I dont think he's BAD at what he does, but he's sorta like Metacritic to me.... I typically find his opinions flawed.

That being said, it's still very good coverage.  And the high sales are even better.

Now, hopefully they'll stay that way.   I'd hate for this game to end up not getting expansions like AI War does.  The last few games didn't really get any, aside from SC's Nihon expansion (which is pretty darn good, really), but... I usually end up wanting to see these games expanded, and it hasnt happened all that much.

This game though is downright perfect for that concept, even more than the others, so here's hoping it works out that way.  I'm guessing it's too early to tell yet.  Though I was pleased to hear that there's gonna be new content bits every week, that's pretty great.


Oh, and I also agree with something mentioned above, which is that the ground combat aspect of the game needs expanding.  I've found that it's the most damn befuddling aspect of it so far.... even the different materials like cesium or xenotine now make sense to me, but the ground combat.... yeah, it's confusing, and there's no indicators of how it's going or what can be done with it.

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Re: WTF is... The Last Federation
« Reply #49 on: April 21, 2014, 08:12:13 pm »
He is going into surgery, so The Last Federation might be the last video he makes for a couple of weeks.

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Re: WTF is... The Last Federation
« Reply #50 on: April 22, 2014, 11:27:00 am »
Metacritic [...] opinions flawed.

This phrase confuses me.  You know that Metacritic does not actually make reviews, right?  They're an aggregate average of other reviews.

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Re: WTF is... The Last Federation
« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2014, 12:43:23 pm »
Metacritic [...] opinions flawed.

This phrase confuses me.  You know that Metacritic does not actually make reviews, right?  They're an aggregate average of other reviews.

Probably referring to the user reviews.

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Re: WTF is... The Last Federation
« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2014, 04:46:38 pm »
Metacritic [...] opinions flawed.

This phrase confuses me.  You know that Metacritic does not actually make reviews, right?  They're an aggregate average of other reviews.

Probably referring to the user reviews.

I don't know if Misery would agree, but I would argue that the methodology employed by MetaCritic is itself deeply flawed.

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Re: WTF is... The Last Federation
« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2014, 04:52:07 pm »
Oh yeah, the day Metacritic burns is the day the games industry becomes a better place for everyone.
None of this has anything to do with the purpose of the thread, though. Just let it die before the mods euthanize it with force.

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Re: WTF is... The Last Federation
« Reply #54 on: April 22, 2014, 04:52:44 pm »
Oh, and I also agree with something mentioned above, which is that the ground combat aspect of the game needs expanding.  I've found that it's the most damn befuddling aspect of it so far.... even the different materials like cesium or xenotine now make sense to me, but the ground combat.... yeah, it's confusing, and there's no indicators of how it's going or what can be done with it.

Is there a Mantis for this yet, so I can vote for it?

One possible solution is to use the planet itself as a meter. Put a colored overlay on top of it, that slowly "fills up" to visually show how much of the land has been conquered. The color of the overlay shows the race doing the conquering. You'd also need a tooltip describing the situation: "This planet is percent% dominated by invading space_dudes."

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Re: WTF is... The Last Federation
« Reply #55 on: April 22, 2014, 04:56:20 pm »
Is there a Mantis for this yet, so I can vote for it?

One possible solution is to use the planet itself as a meter. Put a colored overlay on top of it, that slowly "fills up" to visually show how much of the land has been conquered. The color of the overlay shows the race doing the conquering. You'd also need a tooltip describing the situation: "This planet is percent% dominated by invading space_dudes."

You can make one, though there is this one.

Your idea would probably require a reworking of how planets are taken, since right now it is basically:
Genocide by bombardment --> I guess it is mine now

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Re: WTF is... The Last Federation
« Reply #56 on: April 22, 2014, 05:43:55 pm »
I'm trying to figure out what kind of scoring system would be better than Metacritic.

I'm actually baffled.

What do you want, an electoral college?

Offline BobTheJanitor

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Re: WTF is... The Last Federation
« Reply #57 on: April 22, 2014, 06:00:16 pm »
The problems with Metacritic are many, but the most obvious is the way they aggregate scores so blindly. Some things don't translate into a 1 to 100 scale, yet they force it regardless. Consider a game that is nearly perfect. One site gives it a 90 %. The next gives it four out of five stars. The next ranks it "awesome" on their scale which goes "bad, decent, awesome, perfect". Metacritic looks at those and sees 90, 80, 75. Even though they all were intended to mean essentially the same thing.

Another issue is that they don't curate their reviews very well, and just about any fly by night review site can get averaged into the score, even if they have no more credibility than the random user reviews.

Metacritic is okay for very rough estimation of quality. If it's below 50 that usually means bad, but I'd always look at the actual reviews if I really wanted to know. That's its only real useful feature, linking to a lot of reviews that you can parse with your working brain instead of letting their mindless averaging system tell you what to think.

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Re: WTF is... The Last Federation
« Reply #58 on: April 22, 2014, 06:51:33 pm »
Metacritic [...] opinions flawed.

This phrase confuses me.  You know that Metacritic does not actually make reviews, right?  They're an aggregate average of other reviews.

Exactly. 

This is WHY they are so flawed.  Because people take the overall number to essentially be a number like a proper review.  Many DO NOT go in and read ANY of it.  They just see a low number and think "Oh, this must be crap", without actually READING any of them to see if they even can agree with any of it or not.  I know ALOT of people who do exactly this. 

I consider the site to be an outright plague on the industry.  It can seriously affect sales and such, and in a deeply stupid way, no less.

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Re: WTF is... The Last Federation
« Reply #59 on: April 22, 2014, 06:56:44 pm »
Metacritic is okay for very rough estimation of quality. If it's below 50 that usually means bad, but I'd always look at the actual reviews if I really wanted to know. That's its only real useful feature, linking to a lot of reviews that you can parse with your working brain instead of letting their mindless averaging system tell you what to think.

This is a problem with the 7-10 scale, not with Metacritic.

(Also, note: that averages to an 81, which on the 7-10 scale is "buy":

1-6: do not buy
7: worth a look
8: buy
9: overhyped
10: nothing gets a 10)
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