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Version 1.603 is refinement on a major scale, once again.  First of all, there are a variety of miscellaneous bugfixes and balance tweaks.

One cool new feature is to be able to make notes for yourself to come back to between sessions.

Another big balance piece is that if races wind up hating each other or you past the point of -1000, they'll never recover their esteem of the other race or you.  This prevents situations where you absolutely screw someone over and then spend a lot of time grinding to get them to like you again.  If someone hates you -1000, you guys are blood enemies and you'll have to figure out some other way to deal with them.

The big big big thing this time around is lots of refinement and adjustments to births and deaths.  A number of things have been corrected, improved, and in particular clarified.  There are a lot of notes in there, but basically it acts more like you would think it should.  And you can see exactly why it is working the way it works, via tooltips, like the other various numbers of late.

Lastly, some of the RCI values were giving seemingly-wrong stats because they were combining planetary compatibility and the RCI value, which was confusing as heck.  The way that the economic RCI affects manufacturing is now much better, and science gets improved by medical scores, too, now.

Overall, the changes to the births/deaths and the RCI stuff make it so that you have more tools in your arsenal to mess with the races on a planetary level rather than via space combat.   Sometimes that's really the sticking point, after all -- you dominate in space, but just can't break through the lines on the surface no matter what.

 

Let us know how things are looking, if you have suggestions or bug reports, etc!

More to come soon. Enjoy!

This is a standard update that you can download through the in-game updater, or if you have Steam it will automatically update it for you. To force Steam to download it faster, just restart Steam and it will do so.
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Re: TLF Version 1.603 Released (Life, Death, And Irreconcilable Hatred)
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2014, 11:14:50 pm »
Another big balance piece is that if races wind up hating each other or you past the point of -1000, they'll never recover their esteem of the other race or you. This prevents situations where you absolutely screw someone over and then spend a lot of time grinding to get them to like you again. If someone hates you -1000, you guys are blood enemies and you'll have to figure out some other way to deal with them.

Am I missing something because I have never managed to piss anyone off a fifth at much.

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Re: TLF Version 1.603 Released (Life, Death, And Irreconcilable Hatred)
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2014, 09:04:11 am »
Another big balance piece is that if races wind up hating each other or you past the point of -1000, they'll never recover their esteem of the other race or you. This prevents situations where you absolutely screw someone over and then spend a lot of time grinding to get them to like you again. If someone hates you -1000, you guys are blood enemies and you'll have to figure out some other way to deal with them.

Am I missing something because I have never managed to piss anyone off a fifth at much.

That's more or less the point, yeah, heh.  I mean, it's not something that is super common to happen, but people do piss off certain factions that much basically to gain an advantage in some other way.  "I'll exploit you like crazy to meet some other goals, and I don't care how much you hate me."  Then later trying to recover from that is really just not a realistic thing.  I've seen some people with -3000!
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Re: TLF Version 1.603 Released (Life, Death, And Irreconcilable Hatred)
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2014, 09:36:11 am »
Another big balance piece is that if races wind up hating each other or you past the point of -1000, they'll never recover their esteem of the other race or you. This prevents situations where you absolutely screw someone over and then spend a lot of time grinding to get them to like you again. If someone hates you -1000, you guys are blood enemies and you'll have to figure out some other way to deal with them.

Am I missing something because I have never managed to piss anyone off a fifth at much.

That's more or less the point, yeah, heh.  I mean, it's not something that is super common to happen, but people do piss off certain factions that much basically to gain an advantage in some other way.  "I'll exploit you like crazy to meet some other goals, and I don't care how much you hate me."  Then later trying to recover from that is really just not a realistic thing.  I've seen some people with -3000!

Not counting my -211948?

Granted, I got there by making them like me SO much that they suddenly realized that they REALLY hated me.

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Re: TLF Version 1.603 Released (Life, Death, And Irreconcilable Hatred)
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2014, 09:40:03 am »
Another big balance piece is that if races wind up hating each other or you past the point of -1000, they'll never recover their esteem of the other race or you. This prevents situations where you absolutely screw someone over and then spend a lot of time grinding to get them to like you again. If someone hates you -1000, you guys are blood enemies and you'll have to figure out some other way to deal with them.

Am I missing something because I have never managed to piss anyone off a fifth at much.

That's more or less the point, yeah, heh.  I mean, it's not something that is super common to happen, but people do piss off certain factions that much basically to gain an advantage in some other way.  "I'll exploit you like crazy to meet some other goals, and I don't care how much you hate me."  Then later trying to recover from that is really just not a realistic thing.  I've seen some people with -3000!

Not counting my -211948?

Granted, I got there by making them like me SO much that they suddenly realized that they REALLY hated me.

Hahaha, yeah, I wasn't counting that one.  That one's been fixed anyhow. :)
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Re: TLF Version 1.603 Released (Life, Death, And Irreconcilable Hatred)
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2014, 10:03:48 am »
Cool stuff! Seems like I will have update sig again ;).
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Re: TLF Version 1.603 Released (Life, Death, And Irreconcilable Hatred)
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2014, 11:56:24 am »
When you try to do the Personal Dispatch: Expand Usable Land Area option on your Hydral planet you just see the game buttons and a space screen with no planets or speed buttons, and it said the game had a fatal error and other information. No other races has this option that I could see anymore so I may not supposed to even be an option anymore. Also the error log is huge I am not sure how to post it to here but if you need the code I could past it in this from post.

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Re: TLF Version 1.603 Released (Life, Death, And Irreconcilable Hatred)
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2014, 12:01:56 pm »
Can you paste the savegame that triggers it?

The dispatch is still supposed to be an option, but in betrayal mode it doesn't let you do that for other races.

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Re: TLF Version 1.603 Released (Life, Death, And Irreconcilable Hatred)
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2014, 12:02:19 pm »
When you try to do the Personal Dispatch: Expand Usable Land Area option on your Hydral planet you just see the game buttons and a space screen with no planets or speed buttons, and it said the game had a fatal error and other information. No other races has this option that I could see anymore so I may not supposed to even be an option anymore. Also the error log is huge I am not sure how to post it to here but if you need the code I could past it in this from post.
I was wrong the game just kept add the same error over and over here is the report.




10/3/2014 10:52:54 AM (1.603) Mem: 27,430,912 Mode: SinglePlayerOrMultiplayerHost Plat:WindowsPlayer
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Update: System.FormatException: Index (zero based) must be greater than or equal to zero and less than the size of the argument list.
  at System.String.FormatHelper (System.Text.StringBuilder result, IFormatProvider provider, System.String format, System.Object[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at System.String.Format (IFormatProvider provider, System.String format, System.Object[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at System.String.Format (System.String format, System.Object arg0) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Contract.GetDispatchDetailsString () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Game.RenderMetamapHUD (.UnityRenderer R) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Game.DrawMetaMap (Boolean hasOpenWindowOrMouseIsOverWindow) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Game.DrawGame () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Game.UpdateDisplay (Boolean IsFullVisualUpdate) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at ArcenMainCameraImplementations.MainUpdateLogic () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
Stack Trace:   at System.String.FormatHelper (System.Text.StringBuilder result, IFormatProvider provider, System.String format, System.Object[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at System.String.Format (IFormatProvider provider, System.String format, System.Object[] args) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at System.String.Format (System.String format, System.Object arg0) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Contract.GetDispatchDetailsString () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Game.RenderMetamapHUD (.UnityRenderer R) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Game.DrawMetaMap (Boolean hasOpenWindowOrMouseIsOverWindow) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Game.DrawGame () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at Game.UpdateDisplay (Boolean IsFullVisualUpdate) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
  at ArcenMainCameraImplementations.MainUpdateLogic () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0

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Re: TLF Version 1.603 Released (Life, Death, And Irreconcilable Hatred)
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2014, 12:03:08 pm »
Can you paste the savegame that triggers it?

The dispatch is still supposed to be an option, but in betrayal mode it doesn't let you do that for other races.

Thanks!

This may be a silly question but how do I past a save file to the forms I am not sure how to.

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Re: TLF Version 1.603 Released (Life, Death, And Irreconcilable Hatred)
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2014, 12:04:21 pm »
Also its not in the save it was a new game just start a game and try it it will do it every time.

Edit: or do you mean you want me to save at the error?

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Re: TLF Version 1.603 Released (Life, Death, And Irreconcilable Hatred)
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2014, 12:05:11 pm »
Got it, I'll do that.  Under Additional Options it allows you to upload files, though -- not a worry in this case. :)
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Re: TLF Version 1.603 Released (Life, Death, And Irreconcilable Hatred)
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2014, 12:07:10 pm »
Got it, I'll do that.  Under Additional Options it allows you to upload files, though -- not a worry in this case. :)

Ok thanks I will look in those options next time, I just noticed those today thanks for telling me that.

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Re: TLF Version 1.603 Released (Life, Death, And Irreconcilable Hatred)
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2014, 12:17:11 pm »
No problem!
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Re: TLF Version 1.603 Released (Life, Death, And Irreconcilable Hatred)
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2014, 12:19:49 pm »
Also it does not work in normal mode either you get the same error if you try to help another race expand their land on their planet as well.

Edit: It also does it in invasion mode as well so I guess its all game modes just tried stating new games to see.
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