Thoraxians and Boarines... Near impossible to Federate?

[mikado]

Hi guys, I am a new and confused player to this game. I love this kind of political/trade/economy genre, and am having a lot of fun. But I do have a few questions.

First of all, I murdered that Acutians by making them the united enemy, and then I managed to get all the remaining races into the federation with the exception of the Boarines and Thoraxians. Now, am I just supposed to wait 600+ months for these guys to swing in their moods and consider joining the federation? There are no options for either race. I have 200+ luv with every race, it doesn't seem to make sense to me that they would not want to join.

I have the most powerful ship in the galaxy, but I find myself running out of credit. How is it possible to acquire the 50.000 creds to convince another race into the federation? Farming trade ships is incredibly slow as I make about 500 for a minute of gameplay. Is this the best way? Am I supposed to just farm now to acquire the giant mountain of credits needed?

I am spending them all on keeping the races from killing one another (but everytime they do that I get +20 rep, so that's nice).

I also have no outposts, I guess the only way of getting them is by taking them from my allies?

Thanks!

[kasnavada]

The only time I got 50000 credits was when I pissed off the burluks enough, and they started assassination missions... as soon as the previous one stopped. It sounds like a bug though. I cleaned them 4 or 5 times. No save of course since I couldn't go back to the map.

Anyway, the better they like other races in the alliance, the lower the price should be.

The only other "major" money source I can think of is slave selling, but it does have a rather high influence cost... since you've got 200+ influence with everyone it's safe to sell a hundred. Which is 50000 credits =).

[Raide]

How to win The Last Federation:
1. Make others like you enough
2. Sell people as slaves
3. ? ? ? ?
4. PROFIT

[mikado]

How would I make the Boarines like anyone? Nobody wants to trade with them for some reasons (the option to broker trade route's for them is not there, despite them having plenty of moons colonized) and the manual improve relationship increases 7.4 per 60 months @.@

[Silverfire]

Destroying Anti-Federation Activists rewards at 3 or 4 times, I believe. There's usually a pocket of them somewhere.

If you're backdooring a society into the Fed through another race, you can always ping off their armadas on your own at 3 times as well.

For improving relationships between two races, increase the RCI of the two races so they have 'wellbeing admiration' for each other. That seems to boost almost as fast as a trade route in my experience.

[nas1m]

For improving relationships between two races, increase the RCI of the two races so they have 'wellbeing admiration' for each other. That seems to boost almost as fast as a trade route in my experience.

Yikes, that tip is a good one. Kudos!

[GC13]

The cost to join the Federation seems to consider not just how they feel towards you and how they feel towards the current members, but also how the current members feel towards them. When the Skylaxians had a negative attitude towards the Boarines, it cost 130,000 credits to get them in. The Boarines were already capped at +50 to the Boarines for the Improve Relations dispatch, but going the twelve points it took to take it positive cut the cost to join in half. Running the mission a bit more brought it down to what I could afford (which... Was more than 50,000 credits >.>).