requesting advices on the gameplay....

[iplaytlf2014]

ok, already beaten game here but i still got questions for curiousity's sake.

for me getting most members into federation wasn't really that difficult.  the bourines, i think they the only ones where you can pay them to join the federation. think i see the "join federation tab"on all the other races.  so i'm feeling you have to get another race to be on above 90 relations with them and that need to be both ways.  and paying a race to improve relations, that way takes like forever and is annoying.  so i wondering if anybody got an easier way?

so really it's a matter of money, you either directly or indirectly(bribe) pay races to join the federation and build influences.

the challenge for me wasn't building the federation but solving each race's unique problems like diseases, riots and so on.  and some races didn't seem to have any problems for what i seen, only perks.  for example, skylaxian and burlust: they kept getting perks and grew without problems like market boom and baby boom and so on.

the peltian  got the  teethworn problem that wasn't curable no matter what i did but when some invade another  planet, that disease didn't follow and the new planet healthcare could actually grow. and andor got this splinter faction problem which i didn't know how to solve.

anybody know how to solve these two problems?  or are they unsolvable cuz they weren't designed to be solvable?

i feel the nurturing of these different races has it's fun and there should be a feature to" keep playing" after mission goal's achieved.

[runetrantor]

I think you have to research the vaccine yourself. I had a few observer plays and the Evucks got hit with three maggot outbreaks and two teethworms, they med and environmental rating went to -40000 but their science capability was the best. They never reseacrhed the freaking vaccine.

The tooltip says something about you needing a science outpost to research it. I guess it means YOU having one or something.

[iplaytlf2014]

i came to a new realization on this game.  it's just too damn hard.  in a way it's short cuz after you establish the federation, it's game over.

and if you focus on developing a race, certain problems like disease that is just too hard to cure, i mean it's not obvious how to do it, i must've check the tech research and property development menu for races with diseases enough times.

so faced with seemingly unsolvable problems which saps your time and there seem no accessible solution is just frustrating and unsatisfying.

putting this on hold for the time being...

[MaskityMask]

<_< I'm little confused about what the problem is and why you are taking break, but if you really want to cure diseases for some reason... Capture a science outpost and outsource it to research a vaccine at friendly actions.

[lifehole]

i came to a new realization on this game.  it's just too damn hard.  in a way it's short cuz after you establish the federation, it's game over.

and if you focus on developing a race, certain problems like disease that is just too hard to cure, i mean it's not obvious how to do it, i must've check the tech research and property development menu for races with diseases enough times.

so faced with seemingly unsolvable problems which saps your time and there seem no accessible solution is just frustrating and unsatisfying.

putting this on hold for the time being...

I dunno, it's pretty easy if you go the warlike path, e.g get acutians/andors buddied up with trade routes/attitude buildings, make sure they're always on double armada production, then kill off the other races one by one. Done, if you balance your credits right/sell to slaves/attack enemy races armadas.

Easy way to cure diseases are to develop a vaccine for it by capturing a science outpost of another race.

[MaskityMask]

Yeah, I'd say that winning the game isn't that hard by itself, it depends on HOW you want to win it. Like if you want to keep everyone alive or if you want to create federation with specific races. If you always create the federation easiest way with easiest races then its just matter of keeping enemies of the federation weak. But if you want to create federation with warlike races then it gets really hard since they form easily anti federation alliances before you can make them a federation

[lifehole]

Yeah, I'd say that winning the game isn't that hard by itself, it depends on HOW you want to win it. Like if you want to keep everyone alive or if you want to create federation with specific races. If you always create the federation easiest way with easiest races then its just matter of keeping enemies of the federation weak. But if you want to create federation with warlike races then it gets really hard since they form easily anti federation alliances before you can make them a federation

Needs to be balance there. Make it easier to get strong federation (the future consequences of doing that already being a cool thing) and make it harder to just ally 2 random powerhouse races (evucks after midgame, skylaxians, andors, acutians, sometimes peltians.) or people with the biggest fleets and then just double their armada production and go on a rampage.

[MaskityMask]

Yeah, I'd say that winning the game isn't that hard by itself, it depends on HOW you want to win it. Like if you want to keep everyone alive or if you want to create federation with specific races. If you always create the federation easiest way with easiest races then its just matter of keeping enemies of the federation weak. But if you want to create federation with warlike races then it gets really hard since they form easily anti federation alliances before you can make them a federation

Needs to be balance there. Make it easier to get strong federation (the future consequences of doing that already being a cool thing) and make it harder to just ally 2 random powerhouse races (evucks after midgame, skylaxians, andors, acutians, sometimes peltians.) or people with the biggest fleets and then just double their armada production and go on a rampage.

Eh, I'm not sure if strong federation needs to be easier. I mean, only reason I failed(I was TWO points of influence below creating strong federation with acutians, burlust AND thoraxians) was that burlust and thoraxians formed solar axis pact JUST before I was ready. You just need to make sure they don't attack each other and build a lot of attitude buildings.

[iplaytlf2014]

dunno what you mean by researching vaccine, i have an science outpost and i didn't see no option to research vaccine or anything like that.

and i found it like impossible to get bourine into federation and when you try to build relationship between them  and skylaxian(they were in federation in my game), spent several months and relationship only went by by miniscule amount.  if that's the only way to build up relation between the two to get bourine in federation, then it;s gonna take like forever.

too many headaches for this game, and lack of options and common sense approaches.  i'm trying endless space disharmony instead for time being to get my satisfaction for space strategy/building.

[GC13]

The Improve Relations Between Races dispatch mission is a joke. You want to run a Property Development mission on each world for a good attitude building. It will have a negative to another race or two, but it not only will be far more time-efficient, but it's also possible to get relations above 50 that way.

I expect significant rebalances to attitude, though, and a lot of additions to the game.

[lifehole]

The Improve Relations Between Races dispatch mission is a joke. You want to run a Property Development mission on each world for a good attitude building. It will have a negative to another race or two, but it not only will be far more time-efficient, but it's also possible to get relations above 50 that way.

I expect significant rebalances to attitude, though, and a lot of additions to the game.

Yeah, attitude buildings and trade routes are about the only two ways to reliably build attitude. It'd be nice if the other options were any good, which they're not.