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Offline MaskityMask

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Andor "Federationists"? Do they even exist?
« on: May 02, 2014, 02:49:10 am »
"The ruling party is currently (insert Andor political party here) thus you cannot do deals with the Fedetionists at time" is why andors can't ever be used to convince races to join federation has been formed <_< I assume Federationists is name of andor political party who deal with federation stuff, but... I never seen that in the game so skylaxians(and their really pricey prices) are only ones who can convince other races to join federation.

I assume Federationists can't exist at start of the game since federation doesn't exist either, but they don't just pop in existence after Andor become part of federation ._. Have I just been unlucky and Federationists haven't just ever been one of andor party choices or are they even in the game? There doesn't seem to be way of making them exist it seems...

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Re: Andor "Federationists"? Do they even exist?
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2014, 03:00:15 am »
Yeah it's a random chance and you've been unlucky. I haven't seen them in any recent playthrough though so maybe they're bugged? dunno.

There's other ways to get people to join the federation. You can also orchestrate a war between two non federation members, then ask the one being overwhelmed to join you. Costs less. There's also ofcourse the RCI way but those are very unbalanced, imo. Should be way less, maybe like, -300.

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Re: Andor "Federationists"? Do they even exist?
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2014, 05:04:43 am »
They seem to sometimes crop up later in the game. You can try doing speeches against the current ruling (or perhaps the lowest party) and see if you can get them to show up on the list - I haven't actually needed to try this yet, but the thought occurred some time back.

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Re: Andor "Federationists"? Do they even exist?
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2014, 05:28:53 am »
They seem to sometimes crop up later in the game. You can try doing speeches against the current ruling (or perhaps the lowest party) and see if you can get them to show up on the list - I haven't actually needed to try this yet, but the thought occurred some time back.

I actually tried that <-< Didn't work. If you make party low enough they only have one seat and you can't lower them to zero to get new parties.

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Re: Andor "Federationists"? Do they even exist?
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2014, 05:36:47 am »
The parties are fixed at the start of the game, so there's been a logical error that's been introduced in the last couple of patches as Chris tries to explain all the possible ways to get federations to form. Some of these may not be possible given your starting conditions.

What you can do is to mantis a ticket asking that the Federationists party be a mandatory pick in the initial randomisation.

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Re: Andor "Federationists"? Do they even exist?
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2014, 10:36:19 am »
I feel the best way to fix this would be to allow the Andor parties to change over time in response to specific conditions, i.e. if plagues are a problem in the system then the pharmacists might show up. Maybe the Federationists could show up if there is a very strong power bullying the weaker powers.

This would be a lot harder to implement, of course, but it could add an entire new layer of strategy to dealing with the Andors.

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Re: Andor "Federationists"? Do they even exist?
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2014, 11:03:41 am »
I feel the best way to fix this would be to allow the Andor parties to change over time in response to specific conditions, i.e. if plagues are a problem in the system then the pharmacists might show up. Maybe the Federationists could show up if there is a very strong power bullying the weaker powers.

This would be a lot harder to implement, of course, but it could add an entire new layer of strategy to dealing with the Andors.

That'd be cool. It'd also be cool if Andor ruling party would actually affect their behaviour <_< I mean, it doesn't matter whether they are peacekeepers, pacifiers, enviromentalist or whatever, they never do actions on their own without player using credit to make them do stuff.

Gotta wonder why federation members never try to recruit their friends to federation now that I think about it... Anyway, one issue at a time

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Re: Andor "Federationists"? Do they even exist?
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2014, 11:09:18 am »
The parties are fixed at the start of the game, so there's been a logical error that's been introduced in the last couple of patches as Chris tries to explain all the possible ways to get federations to form. Some of these may not be possible given your starting conditions.

What you can do is to mantis a ticket asking that the Federationists party be a mandatory pick in the initial randomisation.

Wait, I thought that the Andor parties could be switched up?  I want to say that I've seen the ruling party change...
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Re: Andor "Federationists"? Do they even exist?
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2014, 11:12:34 am »
The parties are fixed at the start of the game, so there's been a logical error that's been introduced in the last couple of patches as Chris tries to explain all the possible ways to get federations to form. Some of these may not be possible given your starting conditions.

What you can do is to mantis a ticket asking that the Federationists party be a mandatory pick in the initial randomisation.

Wait, I thought that the Andor parties could be switched up?  I want to say that I've seen the ruling party change...

Ruling party can change, but parties that exist in the parlament is decided on start of the game.

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Re: Andor "Federationists"? Do they even exist?
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2014, 11:15:14 am »
Wait, I thought that the Andor parties could be switched up?  I want to say that I've seen the ruling party change...

Ruling party can change, but parties that exist in the parlament is decided on start of the game.

I would think that all of the parties should exist at the start of the game (even if they are minimum).  Unless Arcen adds a "form party" option of sorts.
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Re: Andor "Federationists"? Do they even exist?
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2014, 12:48:09 pm »
Or just add all the parties (even the ones that haven't spawned in that game) to the "Give Speech in Support of Party" option. After all, the party you want to support might exist in Andor society, but just not have enough support to be represented in their parliament.

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Re: Andor "Federationists"? Do they even exist?
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2014, 02:35:18 pm »
Okay, I haven't done this mantis stuff before, so did I do it right?

http://www.arcengames.com/mantisbt/view.php?id=14889

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Re: Andor "Federationists"? Do they even exist?
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2014, 02:39:17 pm »
Okay, I haven't done this mantis stuff before, so did I do it right?

http://www.arcengames.com/mantisbt/view.php?id=14889

Yeah, you did it fine as far as I can tell. Maybe something like that hive queens mood shifts can be integrated in the andor based on political party. Maybe if you use speeches to lower a parties membership to 0 you could create a new one/replace it.

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Re: Andor "Federationists"? Do they even exist?
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2014, 03:46:53 pm »
Or just add all the parties (even the ones that haven't spawned in that game) to the "Give Speech in Support of Party" option. After all, the party you want to support might exist in Andor society, but just not have enough support to be represented in their parliament.

Fully agree, minor parties are a thing, even though they may be minuscule. In the USA third parties are barely there, but they are, and if a giant Space Hydra were to suddenly say it supports them, people might consider them a bit more.
I honestly find it amusing the Hydral is the single being in an entire solar system that seems to want a federation or merely an inter-race cooperation.
I kind of wish there were small groups wanting the same thing, like how the AFA rise eventually against it, and you could support them, and if they get strong enough, they can start pushing their race into a more pro-federation stance. (Sure, some races would not go for that, like the Burlust, but others would, the Hive Queen might happen to be interested in potential 'not eat everyone if possible', or the Acutians see it as both being part of a strong alliance, and getting new customers if they take the job of being the race that handles the consumerist whims of the entire federation.)
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