Author Topic: The Last Federation - Solar Map Screenshots  (Read 5202 times)

Offline x4000

  • Chris McElligott Park, Arcen Founder and Lead Dev
  • Arcen Staff
  • Zenith Council Member Mark III
  • *****
  • Posts: 31,651
Re: The Last Federation - Solar Map Screenshots
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2014, 12:27:38 pm »
Thanks, Teal. :)  I've already cheered up quite a bit, honestly.  I overreact to things when I'm first showing something new to a wider audience, and even though I brace myself for it, it happens every time.  Somebody could go "I think the font needs tuning" and I'd probably flip out. ;)  But once that initial shock is off, then I'm fine.

Anyway, and Misery, you're right about the combat.  It's something I can beat, incidentally, so it's not impossible.  But it is very very hard, I'll grant you.  Though I've only tested it on Normal, and you may be playing on Hard, where it may be impossible, I don't know.  At any rate, I have lots of plans there, and they aren't so elaborate as to require major code or anything.
Have ideas or bug reports for one of our games?  Mantis for Suggestions and Bug Reports. Thanks for helping to make our games better!

Offline Teal_Blue

  • Hero Member Mark II
  • *****
  • Posts: 935
Re: The Last Federation - Solar Map Screenshots
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2014, 12:52:18 pm »

All the rest is just 'tweaking' right? 
 

So long as it doesn't involve twerking, I think we should be ok. :)


"Lions and Tigers and Miley's, Oh my!!"    :)


Offline Hyfrydle

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 587
Re: The Last Federation - Solar Map Screenshots
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2014, 01:46:56 pm »
A video showing how to beat the beastly turrets would be cool I'm just about to have my first go at the full game and the thing I'm not looking forward to are the combat sections. I really struggled in the combat simulator.

Offline x4000

  • Chris McElligott Park, Arcen Founder and Lead Dev
  • Arcen Staff
  • Zenith Council Member Mark III
  • *****
  • Posts: 31,651
Re: The Last Federation - Solar Map Screenshots
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2014, 01:48:36 pm »
Wait just a bit, and the new version will help with that a lot (I hope).
Have ideas or bug reports for one of our games?  Mantis for Suggestions and Bug Reports. Thanks for helping to make our games better!

Offline Hyfrydle

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 587
Re: The Last Federation - Solar Map Screenshots
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2014, 02:10:59 pm »
First session on hold although I may take a quick peak  :)

Offline x4000

  • Chris McElligott Park, Arcen Founder and Lead Dev
  • Arcen Staff
  • Zenith Council Member Mark III
  • *****
  • Posts: 31,651
Re: The Last Federation - Solar Map Screenshots
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2014, 02:19:35 pm »
It's out now, so you can go ahead -- just restart steam and it should update you to .701. :)
Have ideas or bug reports for one of our games?  Mantis for Suggestions and Bug Reports. Thanks for helping to make our games better!

Offline Misery

  • Arcen Volunteer
  • Core Member Mark V
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,109
Re: The Last Federation - Solar Map Screenshots
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2014, 08:58:23 pm »
Thanks, Teal. :)  I've already cheered up quite a bit, honestly.  I overreact to things when I'm first showing something new to a wider audience, and even though I brace myself for it, it happens every time.  Somebody could go "I think the font needs tuning" and I'd probably flip out. ;)  But once that initial shock is off, then I'm fine.

Anyway, and Misery, you're right about the combat.  It's something I can beat, incidentally, so it's not impossible.  But it is very very hard, I'll grant you.  Though I've only tested it on Normal, and you may be playing on Hard, where it may be impossible, I don't know.  At any rate, I have lots of plans there, and they aren't so elaborate as to require major code or anything.


No, it was on Normal, actually, which was part of what baffled me a bit, since I had remembered you had said it was doable from your own testing, and that's why I was wondering if I was outright missing something.

To further elaborate, the main problems were two things:  The constellation arrangements, and the enemy's tendancy to sit on them.

The half-ring and line ones arent too bad, it's the others that are the problem. 

Like the bit in this picture: 



Even if I can get some ships in there without them getting immediately annihilated by the outer turrets.... and that's difficult enough in a real-time game where I dont have super-exact control over each ship.... they cant enter that central circle.  They WILL get blasted.  And of course I cant attack the enemy flagship without entering it.... 

And this is without any other enemies around, which of course isnt the case normally.   When they're sitting on a turret as they tend to, I cant attack them either, but they can get at my ships easily, if the turrets somehow miss them.   And even if my ships DID get somehow in one of the rings, their circling motion would just get them killed within a few seconds.... but they so far do not last long enough for that.

This has been the case so far with all of the ring-types.  That's pretty much what I meant in my rambling statement about it.   It's also the bit where the strategy aspect falls apart for me.... it feels more like I'm trying to find some secret break in the wall that I must find in order to advance, like in Metroid or something, rather than having an RTS style battle.

Again, I could be missing something, if I am do feel free to enlighten me....


That screenshot taken very quickly from the current version's battle test mode.   I dont have time at the moment to have a proper go at the main game, I'll get to that later in the night.  Just thought I'd illustrate my point a bit.

Offline Cyborg

  • Master Member Mark III
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,957
Re: The Last Federation - Solar Map Screenshots
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2014, 09:08:05 pm »
A map like this, your options are to mash your forces against the AI and be surprised at the outcome of a battle, try to make a run for it using afterburners (if you are lucky enough to start them), or retreat. Neither of which feels all that strategic. In fact, the second option can be rather fiddly.
Kahuna strategy guide:
http://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,13369.0.html

Suggestions, bugs? Don't be lazy, give back:
http://www.arcengames.com/mantisbt/

Planetcracker. Believe it.

The stigma of hunger. http://wayw.re/Vi12BK

Offline mrhanman

  • Hero Member Mark II
  • *****
  • Posts: 764
Re: The Last Federation - Solar Map Screenshots
« Reply #23 on: February 12, 2014, 09:25:40 pm »
I found the best way to deal with that turret configuration is to take my flagship by itself and carefully maneuver it in a figure 8 pattern in front of a non-beam turret dodging the missiles/bullets as the flagship fires, slowly whittling the turret down to destruction.  Then, I can take a few of my other ships and carefully stop them out of the next turrets range and destroy it.  Repeat until there is enough room to accomplish the objective.  It's slow and tedious but it works.