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TLF Version 1.600 Released (Tsar Bomba)
« on: September 26, 2014, 08:43:23 pm »
Original: http://arcengames.com/tlf-version-1-600-released-tsar-bomba/

Version 1.600 is gargantuan, and aptly named.  This addresses a lot of the longest-standing balance/clarity requests for the base game... all at one time!  This was kind of an all-or-nothing proposition, and it took a bit longer than I expected.  Still, it's done now, and I'm super proud of how it turned out.

Science Revisions

60 very-boring-somewhat-confusing techs were removed from the tech tree, a ton of techs were changed quite substantially, and 19 all-new techs have been added.  The way that research happens is more balanced now, and proceeds at a more interesting pace.  Science Outposts have more of a clear and present purpose, and holding on to them can be key for both you and the AI to a degree that was never the case before.

Shipbuilding/Manufacturing

Previously, the concepts of shipbuilding (for ships) and manufacturing (for buildings and outposts) were separate, and it was really confusing.  These have been merged together in a sensible way, and also completely rebalanced from the ground up, just like the science stuff was.  Manufacturing Outposts are also now more valuable, for you and for the AI, which again is great.

Ground Combat

Ground combat is something that could get absolutely bonkers out of balance in the late game, mainly because it was using multiplicative math instead of additive math.  This was the problem with the other areas that are being rebalanced here, too.  The ground combat is now balanced a new way, and much more sensibly.  In the early and middle game, the results are pretty close to what they used to be, although there is more variance now in terms of decisions made during gameplay having larger effects (mainly in terms of which techs are or are not researched).  And in the late game, the ground combat stays sane.

Space Combat Power

This was a huge thing to rebalance, and really important.  Previously there were a lot of things that were really unclear, and those 60 "mark level for specific ship" improvements were a big part of that.  In general there was just a lot of decentralization and special-casing here, so that it was incredibly difficult to tell what was going on at a glance.

But even more than that, the general feel of the progression of this has changed.  There are now distinct jumps in power, rather than a slow small increase in power that is hardly noticeable.  I spent a lot of time working on making the jumps in power something that were noticeable, but not so severe that they were frustrating or game-ending.  I think I hit a good balance, but let me know what you think.

Why does it matter that the jumps are noticeable?  Well, it helps with tension, honestly, and makes it so that it MATTERS if you are behind on techs.  The new system also rewards you a lot more than before for unlocking more flagship abilities, too.  The way that races handle the space combat power upgrades is now entirely different in terms of their tech research, and it can make science play a much larger role in space battles than it previously did.

Overall what this does is create desperate swings in power at various times, so that you have a chance to suddenly seize a temporary opportunity or you have to compensate for a poor oversight.  You have a number of years before this really becomes a factor, and the computer adviser already tells you about this in no uncertain terms, so new players should be fine.  But there were some players who previously just kind of ignored these techs and yet were still successful... I don't think that will be possible anymore, which is certainly by design.  But at the same time, I believe the "this is so complex and also so incremental that I don't care to look into it" feeling that was causing the players to ignore these techs has been resolved.

Better Insight Into Ground Power And Space Power

And on the racial power grid and at each planet's details screen, you can now hover over the ground power number and see a breakdown of WHY the number is what it is.  That's understandably been a longstanding request, and it was something we had already done in the past for manufacturing and science.

On the racial power grid, you can also see this same breakdown for the ship power multiplier.  This is something that is completely centralized, so there's nothing needed anywhere else.  For ground power there is a local component for defenders, hence being able to see it in both places.

Military Outposts

Military Outposts have a completely different function, now.  They buff the space multiplier and the ground troop multiplier, end of story.  They don't produce armadas or anything like that.  This plays a lot nicer with Betrayal mode, which is good.  But it also just makes more sense and is more clear with the AIs, too.  Even in the standard federation-formation mode (or Invasion mode, for that matter), you can use military outposts gifted to the right races to really help shore up their weaknesses.  Or ones for yourself to help increase your own flagship's power.

The AI for how the races deal with outposts in general, and what they prioritize building, has been completely reworked.  The races are much better now at trying to shore up their weaknesses with the use of outposts, or to in general stack onto their primary goal (aka Thoraxians with space power).  Previously it was a bit more generalized, not as good.

Invasion Mode Updates

In the prior version, Invasion mode was basically "you die now" mode.  I had fixed the AI for the Obscura, and they were then just running amok.  In looking at how to fix that, I was realizing that I really needed to go ahead and switch to the additive model for the space power and science and all that jazz.  So hence the long foray into all the great base game updates that make this release so huge.  Anyway, with all of those things in hand, I also did a bunch of balance work on Invasion mode.

This mode is still quite hard, but how hard depends on the strategic difficulty you choose.  On normal, the Obscura tend to win within 60 years, typically.  They don't lose. ;)  On Easy, they'll still tend to win within 60 years, but sometimes they'll lose even in observer mode.  Rare, but it happens.  On strategic difficulty modes higher than normal, the situation gets increasingly dire increasingly fast.  So basically you need to wipe out the obscura pretty quickly, or else you're frankly going to lose.

In general when it comes to invasion mode, if you get into a long stalemate, you'll eventually lose.  On the higher difficulties for this mode, the only way to win is to basically play a "rush" style of game, in the Starcraft sense, where you deny them resources and expansion power, and just cut them off before they get started.   Any way you play it, though, the strategies required for invasion mode really are incredibly alien to that of the main game mode.

Betrayal Mode Updates

Betrayal mode was already in better shape compared to Invasion mode in the prior version, but one of the big frustrations was trying to direct your ground troops around.  You could wind up in very long-term sieges just because your ground troops didn't have armadas to ride over to the enemy planet with.

Fear not!  It's now possible to place attack beacons on planets, which basically tells your servitor robots to hop into personnel pods and launch themselves at the target planet even without an armada escorting them.  This only takes effect when the enemy armadas are all destroyed, so you still have to suppress the armadas with your fleets.  But while you're doing so, you can make it so that you get a constant influx of angry mindless robot slaves hacking away at your enemies on the surface, which I think is what we were all looking for in the first place. ;)

Miscellaneous

There's also a variety of smaller stuff.  Various bugfixes to do with the expansion, balance updates to deal with the pirate ravens from the base game, and so on.  In observer mode there is also a new window that lets you spy on the current actions and research of all the races.  You can't normally see this in the real game, but it's quite interesting to look at in observer mode and understand better what races are planning before it happens.

It's A New Paradigm

"Paradigm" is such a horrible word, but it's appropriate at least.  I've incremented the version number to 1.6, since this version is so vastly different from the 1.5-era and before.  It's a much clearer game now, I think, and I'm actually surprised just how much more fun I'm finding it to play.  Not that it wasn't fun before, but it's just so... immediate now.  I'm the lead designer, and things are immeasurably clearer to me as I play, making it so that I can make good decisions faster as a player.  If that's the effect it has for me, I can only imagine (slash hope) that it has an even better positive effect for everyone else who hasn't spent a thousand hours staring at this. ;)

 

Let us know how things are looking, if you have suggestions or bug reports, etc!

More to come soon. Enjoy!

This is a standard update that you can download through the in-game updater, or if you have Steam it will automatically update it for you. To force Steam to download it faster, just restart Steam and it will do so.
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Re: TLF Version 1.600 Released (Tsar Bomba)
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2014, 04:07:44 am »
Outstanding work Chris!

Between this major update and all the new goodness of the expansion I can see TLF pulling me right back in.

Many thanks ;)

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Re: TLF Version 1.600 Released (Tsar Bomba)
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2014, 05:17:31 am »
Congratulations on the expansion. You've been growing this game wonderfully fast, a massive overhaul to the multiplicative/additive maths sounds like it'll give a completely new feel to pacing and balance even to the base game. Also I'm looking forward to 'testing' the new attack beacons in some betrayal mode games over the weekend... *laughs maniacally then coughs from sore throat*

I assume the next week (or four) will be busy catching any bugs and generally polishing things before the more advertised steam release. So, just wanted to say good luck with things and thanks for all your hard work.

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Re: TLF Version 1.600 Released (Tsar Bomba)
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2014, 05:23:55 am »
Kicks ass, thank you so much. I bought this solely and completely because of Arcen's reputation for supporting their games. You took what might have been just a fun diversion, and made it sweet for hours.

Thanks so much please keep it up.

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Re: TLF Version 1.600 Released (Tsar Bomba)
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2014, 06:26:07 am »
Wow, this looks like quite the changelist.  I didn't think it was going to be THAT many things, yeesh.  All of these sound good though.  This might solve quite alot of issues that had been hanging around for a long while.

About to jump into a new standard game and try all of this out.... full feedback to come later.

And by the way, the final Obscura ship is fully put together and ready to go!  Already sent it to you.  It's a hilarious terror.

I might take a bit of a break over this weekend before I start on the Burlust Warlords.  Gotta get away from this blasted house for a time, argh.  Though I think I'm still gonna be playing this game alot over the weekend nonetheless.  This and AI War, definitely the highest addiction levels of the games you've done so far!


By the way, those Hurler things are just mean.  I say that in a good way, of course, heh.  I didn't even notice it in the bullet script/code/something, so I get into the game, and am like "Wait, what's that thing? I wonder what it- OMG SNIPER DEATH".


EDIT:  Well, I'll say one thing, I dont entirely understand the new stats.... I was used to "you get x1.3 to this" and such.  Granted nearly all forms of math go over my head, but still.   But having looked a bit closer, the RCI buildings in particular seem.... useless, though at the same time all this additive stuff or whatever it's even called doesnt make sense to me, but ".008" to something every month doesnt seem helpful at all, particularly considering how fast RCI values can change.   Or at the very least it LOOKS very unhelpful, which might prevent alot of players from using it.  For now, unless there's some mystical math gibberish I'm missing, there doesnt appear to be reason to use these.  I hadnt really noticed the values on these before, though come to think of it I'm not sure I ever noticed an effect from them once in place either.  Never seemed to really do anything.  I think so anyway... hard to tell with that sort of thing.

EDIT 2: Argh, the Disc is still messed up.  I'll mention this here because Yahoo gets weird if I send 2 e-mails in a row (I really hate it's current interface) so I'm not entirely sure the second one went out allright, but I sent 2 of the files again that should make that thing tolerable for now.  So it's not killing everyone in one hit from the purple doom.
« Last Edit: September 27, 2014, 08:14:50 am by Misery »

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Re: TLF Version 1.600 Released (Tsar Bomba)
« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2014, 10:14:58 am »
Thank you very much, everybody!  And yep, the next weeks will be aimed at balance and catching bugs and refinement, etc, rather than trying to continue to retool everything, heh.

@Misery: With the new stats, all of the RCI stuff actually is no different from before, heh.  And yes, those bonuses are very small with those buildings, but the race can build like 50 of those per planet. If they hold two planets, that would be 0.8 RCI change per month... aka every 20 seconds.  That means that in an hour (relative time -- 9 years) you'd get +144 RCI from that one source alone, just with two planets.

That mechanic isn't meant to be something that completely replaces other RCI sources as a possibility, and it is meant to reward having more planets than just a few.  It's also meant to be something for the regular races where they can just build a lot of something small using their ongoing construction budget, versus one or two big things.  For player construction in betrayal mode, that may be a problem, though.
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Re: TLF Version 1.600 Released (Tsar Bomba)
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2014, 10:45:45 am »
Ahhh, I see.  Merely a case of me not having the foggiest clue what I'm doing half the time then, hah.  Definitely aint too good at that side of the game.

Though, is that something the player should ever even be working on construction for?  It's in the "stuff you can build with them" list, so I figured it might be meant to do more per building than that.

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Re: TLF Version 1.600 Released (Tsar Bomba)
« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2014, 10:58:53 am »
Good point on that.  I will make a change on that, yeah.
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Re: TLF Version 1.600 Released (Tsar Bomba)
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2014, 08:28:51 pm »
New version is now out!  Misery, I love all your stuff, and I tried to take into account all your various notes on the new ships and the Disc as well.  Sorry about not emailing you back on that -- if there's anything further, shoot me an email, I was getting them.  I just got clogged up on my todo list late last week and am only now recovering from that, heh.
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Re: TLF Version 1.600 Released (Tsar Bomba)
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2014, 10:10:42 pm »
New version is now out!  Misery, I love all your stuff, and I tried to take into account all your various notes on the new ships and the Disc as well.  Sorry about not emailing you back on that -- if there's anything further, shoot me an email, I was getting them.  I just got clogged up on my todo list late last week and am only now recovering from that, heh.

Hah, that's fine.  I've figured you've probably been busy as hell much of the time with all of this stuff, and then personal whatsits on top of that.  Full game development always sounds stressful to me.  I dunno how you guys keep track of everything that needs doing. 

As for the blasted Disc ship, I havent thought of anything better to fix it just yet. 

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Re: TLF Version 1.600 Released (Tsar Bomba)
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2014, 08:26:48 am »
And right now it's two games, not just one!  So yeah, it gets a bit hectic, heh.
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