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Original: http://arcengames.com/who-says-dead-bodies-and-smog-cant-be-fun-stars-beyond-reach-teaser/

Keith and I were emailing back and forth about some of the design specs for the internal Stars Beyond Reach prototype that we're working toward having done in the next week-ish. Cemeteries and crematoriums have been a part of the roster of buildings since way back, and I had the design for them in my head for months, but just did get those thoughts on paper as specs yesterday. So this was the conversation:

Keith: The unclaimed-bodies stuff is hilarious. We so need a major diplomatic-web node (or whatever) named "Bring Out Yer Dead!" where the other race, er, "appropriates" the available resources and goes nutso attacking your enemies or something like that.

Me: Hahaha, awesome. :D I've noted that down in the document for future potential diplomatic superpowers.  I also have plans later for citizens being creeped out by too many unclaimed bodies lying around, but that's very much a latent-content sort of thing.  And I haven't quite figured out how it plays in to the rest yet (relating to morale, etc).

Me:  And yeah, I really wanted to have a system where normally you're not having to think about "body management" or anything, but as soon as there's some huge battle in a city of yours, even if you win you have all these tons of bodies you suddenly have to deal with. I think my strategy as a player is going to be forming a distant "welcome to scarytown" city that is full of smog and crematoriums and cemeteries and such. Nobody will want to live there, but I'll make the taxes super low so that at least some people move in. Morale will be horrible, but either I'll set things up so that crime is squashed with an iron fist, or ship in stuff to make people artificially happy.

 

For one, it was just a funny sort of exchange that I thought I'd share.  But there's also quite a bit of teasing-of-features in there.  Also, if you want a (WIP!) screenshot of what the prototype looks like with heavy smog in a city, here you go:

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You can click to expand it.  That's an incredibly extreme example of pollution, because I stacked like 5 really pollution-heavy power plants directly west of my lander.  I then stuck some dense apartment housing down under there just so you can see something peeking out.

Even in my "scarytown" example, I'd be advised to spread out my pollution-producers a bit more.  Teleporter depots can help me do that without having to have lots of filler buildings, so the only real barrier is geography (and teleporter depots, though having a short range, can even let me bridge across small mountain ranges or small bits of water with one city, so that's fine also.  Even in a terribly scarytown scenario, just to keep efficiency up some and not completely piss off the ecologically-inclined planet inhabitants, I would likely put in a hazmat station or two (those go around and clean up pollution.

Smog blows in the wind in an eastward direction, dispersing north and south slightly.  So you're advised to put your heavy smog-producers to the east, all else being equal.  Smog also is blocked by mountain ranges, and so will collect along their western side.  Unless you're doing something really wrong or using a really unorthodox strategy, that's about the only place you'd see smog this thick (if the western side of those mountains is not near enough to hazmat teams, or the hazmat teams are too busy in the city they actually work for.

Generally smog starts becoming a problem when it is just a light smattering, and it doesn't really obscure the buildings much.  You'll see pockets of that here and there even with a hazmat team, because they can only react to smog once it comes out, not prevent it from coming out.

And I know this will be a question, so yes: actually finding your buildings under all that smog if you accidentally do create this much is definitely something that will be made easy. ;)

 

General Status Update

In related news, all is going really well so far with Stars Beyond Reach's development.  The implemented game is getting quite robust, though as you can see a lot of the GUI is still very temporary-stand-in right now (but entirely functional, which is what matters for our prototyping purposes -- and the artists are working right alongside the programming and design process, this stuff is happening in parallel).  Lots of parts of the art are getting finalized and are looking gorgeous, though, and vast tracts of the programming and design are complete at this point.  The game still has a long way to go before its May release and its February beta, but we currently seem to be pleasantly on schedule.

Our first major milestone is the internal prototype, which we expect to have done by the 16th of December at the latest.  Then a small invitation-based private alpha is something we expect to start sometime in January, most likely.  The next milestone after that will be a public beta where you can try a demo of the latest version for free, or buy the game and get the full beta right away (plus of course the finished product later).

By the time we hit beta, the game is expected to be basically feature-complete aside from likely some small bits and bobs here and there.  But it will be in a far more mature state than any of our other games except AI War, Tidalis, and Bionic Dues were when they hit beta.  The bulk of the beta time will be spent on those things that a lot of times in the past we've been forced by financial reasons to do, er, post-1.0.  Plus continuing to improve the interface and refine the art and add extra usability features and tutorials and whatnot to just make everything smoother.

Anyway, that's the plan at the moment!  I'll be sharing more tidbits periodically as we head toward the beta.  And once things are to a point where I'm comfortable, probably in January, I'll start doing periodic video LPs of the game, too.  I'll definitely be doing some strategy how-tos in both video and written format, because that proved to be such a huge help to people in AI War, I know.  If you can't tell, I'm super excited about this game. ;)

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Re: Who says dead bodies and smog can't be fun? (Stars Beyond Reach Teaser)
« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2014, 10:08:40 AM »
Looks really awesome!  Do you plan on keeping the interface that out of the way?  I like unobtrusive UIs.

What are the resources in the upper left?

Is the image cropped, or is that just the aspect ratio of your monitor?
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Re: Who says dead bodies and smog can't be fun? (Stars Beyond Reach Teaser)
« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2014, 10:19:15 AM »
In general, yes, we're going to try to keep this as minimalist of a main interface as possible, although there are a few more things to add in there.  And once we have graphics for what are presently text buttons down at the bottom, those will get a bit taller, but also less wide.

If you expand the bars at the bottom (say because you want to do some building, for instance), then that can go three-deep in order to show all your building options late in the game.  So the interface does fold out some when you're building in particular.

On 1024x768 it feels a lot less minimalist, but it's still not blocking you at every turn.  I hate feeling like I'm looking through a porthole to see a game, heh.


The resources on the topmost bar are all of your global resources, not anything city-specific.  They are, from left to right: Crowns (your currency), Crowns Income Per Turn, Social Progress (kind of like Culture in Civ games, but pretty different in other ways), Atmospheric Compatibility (how well-suited you are to the atmosphere -- it's at 0% in that screenshot because the logic for that is not yet in the prototype), Planet Mood (kind of like AI Progress and/or Reverse AI Progress, depending on how you play -- right now it's neutral there), Temperature Differential (this is how cold or hot it is from the baseline temperature -- right now it is at -20 "helions," the unit of measurement here.  So snow and ice is expanding a bit -- this is just the natural temperature fluctuation of the planet, basically seaons, represented there -- not intentional manipulation by players or AIs), and then lastly it is showing you "tiles under attack" so that you have a very clear view of how many places you are under attack, and where, if any.
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Re: Who says dead bodies and smog can't be fun? (Stars Beyond Reach Teaser)
« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2014, 10:36:14 AM »
SMOG OF WAR! :o

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Re: Who says dead bodies and smog can't be fun? (Stars Beyond Reach Teaser)
« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2014, 10:46:07 AM »
<obligatory>BETA WHEN?!</obligatory>  ;D
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Re: Who says dead bodies and smog can't be fun? (Stars Beyond Reach Teaser)
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2014, 10:50:18 AM »
SMOG OF WAR! :o

Hahahaha!  That's awesome.  That is totally going to be the name of an achievement now. :)

<obligatory>BETA WHEN?!</obligatory>  ;D
On a more serious note:  Who gets to participate in the beta?

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The game still has a long way to go before its May release and its February beta, but we currently seem to be pleasantly on schedule.

Our first major milestone is the internal prototype, which we expect to have done by the 16th of December at the latest. Then a small invitation-based private alpha is something we expect to start sometime in January, most likely. The next milestone after that will be a public beta where you can try a demo of the latest version for free, or buy the game and get the full beta right away (plus of course the finished product later).

By the time we hit beta, the game is expected to be basically feature-complete aside from likely some small bits and bobs here and there. But it will be in a far more mature state than any of our other games except AI War, Tidalis, and Bionic Dues were when they hit beta. The bulk of the beta time will be spent on those things that a lot of times in the past we've been forced by financial reasons to do, er, post-1.0. Plus continuing to improve the interface and refine the art and add extra usability features and tutorials and whatnot to just make everything smoother.
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Re: Who says dead bodies and smog can't be fun? (Stars Beyond Reach Teaser)
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2014, 10:55:11 AM »
Nice :D.
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Re: Who says dead bodies and smog can't be fun? (Stars Beyond Reach Teaser)
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2014, 11:01:17 AM »
Is the image cropped, or is that just the aspect ratio of your monitor?

You stealth-edited on me, I just noticed. ;)

The image is not cropped, but that's just the resolution I was using for the window I was playing in. I tend to really like having widescreen, but at the same time I like to do a lot of my unit-testing of the feel of the game with the smallest supported height (to make sure everything fits and doesn't feel too cramped).  So I wind up playing with 1800x720 most of the time in our games, which I think is what this probably was.

When I'm playing "for me" I play windowed at something slightly under 1920x1080.  When I'm playing for an LP or a trailer or for screenshots, I play at 1280x720 so that it isn't too tiny for people who don't maximize their viewer.  And plus it makes the video sizes way smaller, too.
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Re: Who says dead bodies and smog can't be fun? (Stars Beyond Reach Teaser)
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2014, 11:32:11 AM »
I lol'd at the 90% morale while having that sniff-and-drop-dead pollution going on.

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Re: Who says dead bodies and smog can't be fun? (Stars Beyond Reach Teaser)
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2014, 11:47:00 AM »
I lol'd at the 90% morale while having that sniff-and-drop-dead pollution going on.

Yeah, morale is not fully coded in yet, heh.
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Re: Who says dead bodies and smog can't be fun? (Stars Beyond Reach Teaser)
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2014, 06:18:45 PM »
I just noticed in the background that there was what looked like 2 pieces of string and a gecko, are those the resources? Also the smog sort of covers the city and kind of makes it impossible to see the city will that be toned down a bit?

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Re: Who says dead bodies and smog can't be fun? (Stars Beyond Reach Teaser)
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2014, 08:08:54 PM »
I just noticed in the background that there was what looked like 2 pieces of string and a gecko, are those the resources?

Those are a couple of resources, yes.  At the moment there are I believe 35 resources in the game.  They're kind of like the resources in Civ, where you don't always have all of them, not remotely.  Although these are even less restrictive than that.  Getting resources is useful, not the least of which because it generates both crowns (currency) as well as the resource, but the resources are kind of like bonus powers so to speak, or augmentations, not things you are required to find.

The two that you are seeing there are Bush Vipers and Protein Fibers (basically spider silk, but not just from spiders).  There are most likely other resources buried in that same area, but I can't see them yet because I have not researched passive sonar, so I can't get the underground view at all.  Researching extended and then mobile sonar would really let me see a lot of the underground resources a lot better.

Other resources like those are line-of-sight on the surface, and you harvest them via different buildings other than mines.

Also the smog sort of covers the city and kind of makes it impossible to see the city will that be toned down a bit?

As noted above a couple of places, if you have that much smog you are doing something horribly, horribly wrong.  There isn't really a need to tone that down, because that should never be happening when over your actual cities.  But there are a variety of overlay modes, and one of them is "no smog."  There's another one that is the pollution map, which gives a view that is based on colors instead, which lets you plan how you're going to address the smog:



Needless to say, if you find yourself covered in smog, the problem is something you want to rectify as soon as possible. ;)

Can't wait for the beta!

Thanks!

edit: And for those curious, the other resource that you can see in that screenshot is Tannin.
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Re: Who says dead bodies and smog can't be fun? (Stars Beyond Reach Teaser)
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2014, 08:41:16 PM »
Neato.

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Re: Who says dead bodies and smog can't be fun? (Stars Beyond Reach Teaser)
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2014, 01:21:35 AM »
As noted above a couple of places, if you have that much smog you are doing something horribly, horribly wrong.  There isn't really a need to tone that down, because that should never be happening when over your actual cities.  But there are a variety of overlay modes, and one of them is "no smog."  There's another one that is the pollution map, which gives a view that is based on colors instead, which lets you plan how you're going to address the smog:



Needless to say, if you find yourself covered in smog, the problem is something you want to rectify as soon as possible. ;)
Now this is what I call a nifty, good-looking map overlay :D.
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Re: Who says dead bodies and smog can't be fun? (Stars Beyond Reach Teaser)
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2014, 08:24:47 AM »
Thank you! :D
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