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What's your favorite name here?  Feel free to comment with other names, or change your vote later.

This World Is Mine
3 (15.8%)
From a Dying Sun
6 (31.6%)
Stars Beyond Reach
7 (36.8%)
Stars Beyond Reach: This World Is Mine
3 (15.8%)

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Heh, when I read the "Omicron Ceti" suggestion I thought, "it should be Tau Ceti instead." (This also has the advantage of being much, much shorter)

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Heh, when I read the "Omicron Ceti" suggestion I thought, "it should be Tau Ceti instead." (This also has the advantage of being much, much shorter)

One disadvantage of Tau Ceti is that everyone has already used it. In fact, the name is so common in fiction that it even has its own WP page that lists its use.

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Yep, I'm well aware.  I'm not trying to encompass the entire game by any stretch, but I am trying to be descriptive enough that people just seeing the bloody icon and then the name will click on it.  ;)  Something that Bionic Dues has failed miserably at, but The Last Federation does enormously well at.  Hence the importance of the name.

Ah, the not-at-all important, yet mightily important metagame of naming the damned thing.

I'd say at this point that just having a working title should be the goal, unless this is our forum metagame to keep us busy while you work furiously at a whiteboard.

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I agree that we shouldn't try and get *THE* name for the game, and that a working title is what we should go for here. Once there is gameplay to go with the game, then a title would probably be more appropriate.
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Thanks for the thoughts, guys.  In general I'm against working titles, as they tend to stick.  Also, it means we can't do any advance marketing about the game without then losing all momentum when we change the game.

And there are quite a lot of things that I know about the game, but I'm not ready to share all of them yet as some may change.  I also don't want to focus too specifically on one specific faction or leader, as that would be really misleading.  You can play as any of them.  That would be like calling Civilization "The Catherine The Great Plan" or "George Washington's Big Adventure," for instance. ;)

As to your question of what the race that is landing is like -- are they nice, are they mean, etc, etc -- well, that all depends.  Whatever races you DON'T play as start out on the planet and are already established.  Whichever one you choose is the one that lands as the invaders, the lost colonists so to speak.  This could be a group of the equivalent of Burlusts or Peltians landing, or anything in between.  So there again you can't really say if these are nice guys coming down to play with everyone else well, or if they are jerks coming down to conquer.

This is why I like broad names: as with most 4x titles, this has multiple paths to victory, and unlike The Last Federation or AI War, there is no one specific end goal that you are working towards.  Instead, like Civilization for instance, there are maybe 5 or 6 different end goals that you are working towards, and if one starts going south then you can switch gears and try for something else.

In terms of Tau Ceti, that was indeed the reason I avoided using that.  Omicron also just sounds really cool, and makes me think of both Transformers: The Movie (yes, I know that was Unicron) as well as a variety of other things.

The name of the planet that you are on is not really something that is set in stone; the one I had been thinking of before was something that people can't pronounce well, and looks like other things.  Even so, Omicron Ceti is a star, not a planet, so the planets around it can have any names (it doesn't have to be Omicron Ceti III or whatever).

I can kind of see the reluctance to the word empires, but bear in mind that has connotations of majesty and power.  Whereas imperial typically has connotations of oppression and other bad things.  I'm not a fan of having really negative words in the title, as that then is an immediate turnoff.

The title does need to really evoke what the game is about to get people to click into it.  If they see this, they see just the tiny steam icon thing and the title, usually.  They see it's Strategy and Indie, and that's it.  That could mean 4X, RTS, tower defense, or more questionably-strategy sort of titles.  So short of putting the word "4X" in the title, which is tacky, putting a word like Empires in there is kind of a necessary evil in terms of actually attracting the attention of people who would be interested in the 4X genre but are tired of clicking on strategy titles and finding out it was tower defense or whatever.

You may discount the importance of that level of info (what about reviews, videos, screenshots, larger banners, and so on?), but our data from the last 5 years shows that the clickthrough rate from people just seeing the title and the name blind is a really key factor.  The Last Federation evokes some pretty obvious stuff, and so the clickthrough rate there was nearly 2x the global average for all Steam games.  That makes an enormous difference.

I'm not saying the word Empires has to be used, there have been other examples like the game Colonization that were really strong, too, and provide a context if we use anything with the word Colony in it.  Settlers also evokes the right thing, as does the word Master.  Master Of Omicron Ceti would be way too similar to MOO, though, of course.  And something like Colonists of Omicron Ceti is just linguistically weak.

Anyway, we are working on a variety of other things right now, relating to this game, TLF, and AI War.  But the purpose of this thread is to find THE name for this game as a sideband process while we do that other stuff.  In other words, we're multithreading. ;)
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The _________ Plan
Seeds of Eternity
Seeds of Omicron Ceti
Seeds of Worlds
Ashen Worlds
Imperial Worlds
Abandoned Worlds
Master Of Worlds
Colonial Worlds
Omicron Ceti Independence
Omicron Sector
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it's morning, there are no bad ideas (only terrible ones):
Chris Park's Planetary Domination  >D
Continental Drift
: The Arrival
No Ocean Divides Us
Alien Sea (Explorers on an)
Mass Extinction
The _______ Era


you see I am getting geological here

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Out of Omicron Ceti
Forbidden Colony
Colonial Command
Command Colony
Codename Colonist
Codename Ascendant
Neomicron Imperia
Omicron Imperia
Colony Control
Proto Colony

And interesting words:
lander
epoch
seeker
codename
forbidden
command
Neomicron
earthrise
control
escape
__scape
arrival
explorers
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Re: Name our upcoming 4x (current best - Proto Colony) (POLL 6/3)
« Reply #127 on: June 04, 2014, 12:29:54 pm »
My new favorite is Proto Colony, and it amazingly is not a taken name.
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As to your question of what the race that is landing is like -- are they nice, are they mean, etc, etc -- well, that all depends.  Whatever races you DON'T play as start out on the planet and are already established.  Whichever one you choose is the one that lands as the invaders, the lost colonists so to speak.
(The) Lost Colonists

A few more ideas:
Red Sun Exile
Exile to Empire
Red Sun Outcast
Strange Sun: Seeds of an Empire (SSSoaE, easy, right? ::))
Wayward Dominion
Empyrean Heritage

I still think Spectre of an Empire has everything you are looking for  :-\

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Re: Name our upcoming 4x (current best - Proto Colony) (POLL 6/3)
« Reply #129 on: June 04, 2014, 12:50:33 pm »
Spectre of an Empire does have most of what I want, it just doesn't personally speak to me or roll off my tongue.  It's a matter of taste.  I'd happily play a game named that, and it sounds interesting.  But with a lot of the names that I don't select, it's just a matter of my own personal style and taste.
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Re: Name our upcoming 4x (current best - Proto Colony) (POLL 6/3)
« Reply #130 on: June 04, 2014, 01:56:13 pm »
No problem, you are the boss. Your game, your name. :)

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Re: Name our upcoming 4x (current best - Proto Colony) (POLL 6/3)
« Reply #131 on: June 04, 2014, 02:01:24 pm »
Spectre of an Empire does have most of what I want, it just doesn't personally speak to me or roll off my tongue.  It's a matter of taste.  I'd happily play a game named that, and it sounds interesting.  But with a lot of the names that I don't select, it's just a matter of my own personal style and taste.

If building a colony is what we are doing then Proto Colony/Strange Sun or something along those lines seems good.

How about use the best of the Age of Ashes and/or Empire names as secondary title:
(for example)

Proto Colony:
Ashes of an Empire

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Re: Name our upcoming 4x (current best - Proto Colony) (POLL 6/3)
« Reply #132 on: June 04, 2014, 02:45:58 pm »
@Topper: All good, wasn't trying to squash you.

@relmz32: I think that most likely what we'll do is save that for the name of either another game, or an expansion.  I look forward to using that, but having a name that is short is really something I prefer if it is strong enough to stand on its own.



On how I came up with the name Proto Colony:

I went through the entire list of all space games ever released (thanks to SpaceSimCentral), and that was what stuck out to me.  Anything longer than a couple of words my eyes were really just glazing over.  There were so many games with Space or Empire or Fighter or Star or other various common words in them that those all started to blend together, too.  Then there were a bunch of ones with words that only mean something if you already know what the game is Tyrian, etc.  And a bunch that use letters and numbers (Battleship 3000, X-Wing, etc).  Which were either "you must know what this is" (X-Wing) or "let's make this sound futuristic by having a year from the future at the end of this."

The more interesting ones used some sort of short title that was often one or two words, and which were different enough to be evocative, and hinted at something sci-fi without resorting to words people don't know.

Anyhow, that's how I came up with that.
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Re: Name our upcoming 4x (current best - Proto Colony) (POLL 6/3)
« Reply #133 on: June 04, 2014, 06:15:35 pm »
Proto Colony sounds very interesting... and even though, MoOc is really too similar to MoO, i really like Master of Omicron Ceti.  :)

Proto Colony though is much more identifiable as a unique name, and therefor an Arcen game, not a copy game name, you know? 

So PC is a good pick.

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Re: Name our upcoming 4x (current best - Proto Colony) (POLL 6/3)
« Reply #134 on: June 04, 2014, 07:53:31 pm »
I like it also, though it's a bit 'anonymous' if that makes any sense. A subtitle might help puff it out a bit, as with AI War: Fleet Command.

It's also coincidentally a mash of 'protocol.' Gentlemen, I'd like to ask you to follow the protocol for our prototype colony, pronto.