What are you voting for on Greenlight?

[KingIsaacLinksr]

I'd say that if you are $100 from going bankrupt, you need to find another source of income ASAP because should shouldn't be relying on your game to sell. There is no guarantee that it'll sell and it could be a complete flop. Even on Steam, so it amuses me that people brought that up at all. And Keith said it too, there is still direct distribution and other websites. And there is still the submitting directly to Valve's team too so I don't see the problem here.

I would guess people wanted to troll still and are trying to use that as their defense. *sigh*

[LaughingThesaurus]

People on the internet will complain, it's just what they do.

To paraphrase Yahtzee, Cows go moo, Cats go meow, People on the internet complain about justifiable decisions.
...Dogs go bark, Sheep go baa, MMO players go "the PVP is imbalanced".

[KingIsaacLinksr]

People on the internet will complain, it's just what they do.

To paraphrase Yahtzee, Cows go moo, Cats go meow, People on the internet complain about justifiable decisions.
...Dogs go bark, Sheep go baa, MMO players go "the PVP is imbalanced".

Yeah...sounds about right.

[Aklyon]

You forgot the Starcraft players complaining everyone else is OP.

[LaughingThesaurus]

Well, RTS players also go the PvP is imbalanced. I guess yahtzee wouldn't necessarily know that though.

[chemical_art]

^ That's what I was thinking. With 100$, at least you have some sort of income. What kind of indie, right away, quits their job and starts making games for a living without any source of income?

Not one worth buying outright. There might be some flash games that could do that but cannot due to that money incentive, but that is like saying there might be some some programmer who could make dos manageable***.

***This is meant as nothing more then a metaphor that less then one in a one hundred million people could do something amazing, but the rest would be flunks.

[Mánagarmr]

If anyone makes a Flash game and gets it on Steam, I'll cry. Flash needs to burn in hell.

[LaughingThesaurus]

Eh, I've played good flash games, in the same way that there are polished and very nice GameMaker games.
I'll just be upset if it's one of those generic physics puzzlers. Yeah, we get it, you know how to find a physics engine on the internet and remake puzzles other developers have made. I will not rate your game 5 stars, because I have standards. More often than not, I will rate it one star and not play it extensively because it is a generic piece of crap. And no, I will not fire your catapult and crush another castle, in another game that is identical to crush the castle or angry birds.

...I've been on Kongregate so much, I've developed an irrational hatred for physics puzzlers and tower defense games, because those are literally the only two bloody genres of games people rip off, piece by piece, while simultaneously not really innovating in any way. Don't confuse that with me having lost faith in the games entirely, but they're mostly on a blacklist until I'm recommended one and am simultaneously blown away by it.

I'm supposed to be talking about greenlight. Right. Don't set me off on a flash rant again. I'm lucky it was this short and hopefully inoffensive.

[chemical_art]

Remember, less then a one in a hundred million.

To make it super cheesy on a level I normally would not say, it would be like the top 1% of all the luke skywalkers in star wars.

Or, to make it arcen related, its like on the level of puzzle games like tidalis.

[Volatar]

If anyone makes a Flash game and gets it on Steam, I'll cry. Flash needs to burn in hell.

Unless I am mistaken, Machinarium is built on Flash.

[LaughingThesaurus]

Yeah, Volatar, and that's a decent flash game, though it's not my kind of game. I'm all for flash if the games aren't god awful like they usually are.

[zespri]

If anyone makes a Flash game and gets it on Steam, I'll cry. Flash needs to burn in hell.

Why this particular technology? What about silverlight? Or Unity web player (case in point: http://www.desktopdungeons.net/play-desktop-dungeons-beta/)? Or Game Maker? Or Adobe Director? Are those to burn in hell too?

[KingIsaacLinksr]

If anyone makes a Flash game and gets it on Steam, I'll cry. Flash needs to burn in hell.

Why this particular technology? What about silverlight? Or Unity web player (case in point: http://www.desktopdungeons.net/play-desktop-dungeons-beta/)? Or Game Maker? Or Adobe Director? Are those to burn in hell too?

Flash coding is poor for speed. I believe that Binding of Isaac is made with Flash and it lags even on high-end machines. (From what I've heard). Also, I can't say I've ever been impressed with how well flash games perform on my machine compared to other technologies like Unity. Something about Flash makes it immediately noticeable when I start up a game, like Machinarium. I didn't know it was built on Flash until I opened the demo then I felt it immediately. I can't pinpoint what causes it...

[KingIsaacLinksr]

Well, frell me, I just saw this: http://www.steampowered.com/steamworks/FAQ.php

I can't say I like this at all. I thought Valve would continue to do their own looking at submissions. Now they're relying on the crowd to decide games for Steam? I really don't like that. Idk, this just worries me that smaller and less well known indie devs will never be able to get on Steam. I guess this does mean that we will be seeing a lot of attention on Greenlight moving forward from here on though.

[zebramatt]

I don't think Greenlight is intended to be anything approaching a democratic or automated filtration system. It strikes me as pretty much a transition from all submissions going straight to Valve - through the mountainous pile of which they must then wade in order to find 'Steam-quality' games - to them first being posted on Greenlight for some community feedback. Valve will retain final say and need not pay any more attention to popularity of any one given submission than they deem is appropriate on a case-by-case. Essentially, it would seem to me, they've simply added a layer to try to help them deal with the deluge.

It's not dissimilar, in fact, from the way Arcen operates with adding new features to their games. Personally, I think Greenlight - done properly - can only be a good thing.