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Re: Ubisoft goes completely Insane - Starts new harsh DRM Initiative
« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2010, 09:21:51 am »
Exactly, it's more to cut into the used-game market. Each Cerberus Network code can only be used once, so when you try to resell your game, if you've used your code, the next person who buys your game will have to buy a Cerberus Network code if they want the otherwise "Free" DLC content.

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Re: Ubisoft goes completely Insane - Starts new harsh DRM Initiative
« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2010, 12:56:23 pm »
*Should have separated the two lines.

I am neutral upon this issue--generally I prefer factory copies over used, and that is to direct the money to the developers[/publisher].  I do see how some people would be turned off by it, though, but it is reasonable.
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Re: Ubisoft goes completely Insane - Starts new harsh DRM Initiative
« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2010, 02:12:17 pm »
I'd rather they do this than always-online DRM, the problem really is that with this new DRM the fact when and whether you can play becomes a chance of random luck. If their servers are DDOS'd you can't play, if their routing is gone, you can't play.

Bottom Line, this new DRM creates a whole new lot of "you can't play and its not your fault" situations. Which is why i am so against it.
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Re: Ubisoft goes completely Insane - Starts new harsh DRM Initiative
« Reply #48 on: March 22, 2010, 08:11:47 am »
I'd rather they do this than always-online DRM, the problem really is that with this new DRM the fact when and whether you can play becomes a chance of random luck. If their servers are DDOS'd you can't play, if their routing is gone, you can't play.

Bottom Line, this new DRM creates a whole new lot of "you can't play and its not your fault" situations. Which is why i am so against it.

Indeed. And its really time based as well, who knows the state of these servers in 10 years? ;)

Not that its a very much relevant scenario, but sometimes its fun to pick up an old game. :P

Having lived with a dodgy interent connection I can say that I really despise this new DRM. All it accomplishes is to punish thoose who actually buy the game, while it does nothing to the so called "pirates".

I got no idea how a business that punishes its customers can go on :(.
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Re: Ubisoft goes completely Insane - Starts new harsh DRM Initiative
« Reply #49 on: March 22, 2010, 02:37:04 pm »
Generally companies remove protection [if they're smart at all] in time with patches, since the purpose for having DRM originally should be unneeded at this time.
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Re: Ubisoft goes completely Insane - Starts new harsh DRM Initiative
« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2010, 06:09:49 pm »
GG.  Either publishers acquire an improved intelligence, or they utilize even more DRM.

I feel sorry for the developers being like pawns, but they have been like that for... ever.
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Re: Ubisoft goes completely Insane - Starts new harsh DRM Initiative
« Reply #52 on: April 01, 2010, 05:38:19 pm »
Why even make the game to begin with? Just sell a blank CD rom in a pretty box and ask customers to authenticate on-line. This could really cut down on development costs.  ;D

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Re: Ubisoft goes completely Insane - Starts new harsh DRM Initiative
« Reply #53 on: April 10, 2010, 05:25:29 pm »
This is why I stopped buying ubisoft games. My last one was Chessmaster 11. It's too bad because they have an interesting catalog. I should add that my refusal doesn't mean I'm going to pirate something-I don't and I won't pirate. I have a hard time understanding people who say that because they don't like something, they are going to steal it, proclaiming noble intentions of "sticking it to 'em." It just doesn't compute.

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Re: Ubisoft goes completely Insane - Starts new harsh DRM Initiative
« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2010, 01:43:56 am »
This is why I stopped buying ubisoft games. My last one was Chessmaster 11. It's too bad because they have an interesting catalog. I should add that my refusal doesn't mean I'm going to pirate something-I don't and I won't pirate. I have a hard time understanding people who say that because they don't like something, they are going to steal it, proclaiming noble intentions of "sticking it to 'em." It just doesn't compute.

I'm not "sticking it" to anyone. I want to play their game, and piracy gives me a better end user experience.

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Re: Ubisoft goes completely Insane - Starts new harsh DRM Initiative
« Reply #56 on: April 28, 2010, 05:17:55 pm »
Nobody saw that coming now did they?

The only thing that is going to stop these people from cracking games is if they aren't given anything to crack.

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Re: Ubisoft goes completely Insane - Starts new harsh DRM Initiative
« Reply #57 on: May 01, 2010, 02:16:59 pm »
Am I the only one who completely understands this move and doesn't hate it? It's completely logical. People pirate non-stop so they put out some Nazi DRM. People complain and still pirate. Ubi looks to MMOs like WoW and sees a system that works, so they copy it. It's not that big of a deal, who really cares if you have to be online to play a game, most people are anyway, so what dose it matter? It's frankly a good idea and it seems to be the way most PC dev's are going these days, just look at Blizzard, Microsoft and Valve.

To me this it Ubisoft giving us a pseudo-steam that works with non-steam games, and I support the move 100%. Call me a consumer whore, but I really don't care about connecting to the internet to play my games, I can see it being an inconvenience at times, but there really aren't that many occasions where you can't get internet while playing your games, and I trust Ubisoft will eventually come up with some sort of offline mode (for steam users at least, since you can pretty much track ever game that was bought and every account with it, so they would be able to tell pirates from real gamers) eventually, but I guess I'm just optimistic.

It seems to me that gamers of all creeds, be it PC, XBox or something else always find something to complain about in something good. Nothing is ever good enough, everything is always the new antichrist of the week. Get over it, there's a reason that the unnamed Infinity Ward employee stated that "PC gamers are just a bunch of whiners and pirates", because it's true. We've got the collective constitution of a 12 year old girl. It's time to grow up and just play your video games and stop arguing about the DRM.

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Re: Ubisoft goes completely Insane - Starts new harsh DRM Initiative
« Reply #58 on: May 01, 2010, 03:14:16 pm »
I trust Ubisoft will eventually come up with some sort of offline mode (for steam users at least, since you can pretty much track ever game that was bought and every account with it, so they would be able to tell pirates from real gamers) eventually, but I guess I'm just optimistic.

Umm... you do realize that this completely invalidates your arguements? One-time activation has been around for ages, and although I'm not familiar with Ubisoft games DRM beyond the current arguements, I highly doubt they haven't used this form of activation in the past. And what's more, the Steam version, despite having steam's DRM, still requires always-online gameplay.

The reason people are so upset by this is that it degrades game functionality (what are you supposed to do if you live in the middle of Alaska, where there isn't likely to be any internet at all? And dont forget that despite widespread penetration, there are still almost as many households without internet as there are with internet, and in many non-urban areas the only internet available is dial-up, which is unworkable for just about anything more than email). People don't mind steam's preference for online mode because a) if you buy from steam, chance are you have enough bandwidth that always online isnt an issue, b) if offers useful features, like friends, a community panel, automatic updates, and achievements, and c) you can access it from any online computer, download your games, and play.

You claim that gamers always find something to complain about, and there is a grain of truth in that, but frankly businesses like Ubisoft or Sony share far more of the blame. Protecting your product and sales is understandable, even laudable in fact. However, when you start degrading your product, insulting your customers, and shipping products that are unstable or even potentially unusable because of your DRM, you've crossed a line into the realm of unethical business practices. Removing core functionality, such as an offline single-player mode (Ubisoft) or the previously supported ability to install alternate operating systems (Sony's latest controversial PS3 update) hurts legitimate customers, doesnt boost sales, and in fact makes the pirated version of the game superior to the version offered by publishers.

That's not to say that DRM has no place in the gaming industry, but businesses need to remember that people want the best value for their money. If I can download a copy of a game that is pirated, has no DRM, and is as a result LESS buggy than the version I can buy at Walmart, I'd be an idiot to pay for the game. On the other hand, when businesses present compelling reasons for customers to use and even endorse DRM (Steam, Impulse, etc) by giving customers added value for buying a legitimate version over what pirates could offer, then you get the best of both worlds. If you want to see companies that really understand how DRM needs to work, look to businesses like Valve and Stardock (Stardock's CEO has a great series of articles on pirating, and I think he really nails the issue - in short, Publishers need to understand their goal is not to defeat piracy, as many pirates wouldn't buy the game at all if their only option was retail, but to prevent losing customers who would pay if the pirated version was not, in fact, superior to the retail version).
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Re: Ubisoft goes completely Insane - Starts new harsh DRM Initiative
« Reply #59 on: May 01, 2010, 04:13:45 pm »
I reject the argument that pirating a game is somehow the obvious answer if the retail game is subpar. Why not just refrain from buying a game altogether? It is a childish logic to say, "I am going to steal if I don't like something you did." I also reject the argument that somehow Ubisoft did the right thing here. We all have power outages, we all have Internet outages. This should not freeze the game.

Both sides need to return to sanity and realize that there are no innocent parties here. Both sides need to keep their end of the bargain. If they don't, it doesn't give you ammunition to misbehave.