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Re: Trump (clicking this is voluntary)
« Reply #60 on: February 01, 2017, 02:16:20 PM »
There wasn't a hint of sarcasm in there. This is literally what Sweden is doing atm. All because our government has a completely deluded need to "appear like a humanitarian nation" internationally.
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Re: Trump (clicking this is voluntary)
« Reply #61 on: February 01, 2017, 03:05:41 PM »
No, the sarcasm was obviously that Germany should do this as well. But no country should do this.

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« Reply #62 on: February 01, 2017, 03:11:35 PM »
No, the sarcasm was obviously that Germany should do this as well. But no country should do this.
Fair enough. Yes, that is the conclusion. No one should, but Sweden is really busy doing it.
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« Reply #63 on: February 01, 2017, 04:16:46 PM »
By making yourself sound so utterly amaaaaaaazing that you get the damn job even if you're the biggest damn fool ever.
I have one quick correction to make, in what I have seen, generally they seem to care more about making their opponents sound as horrible as possible, after all, why convince people you are a good choice when instead you can convince them that all the others are horrible choices, it is much easier that way. (that was sarcasm) Honestly I would prefer if they focused on telling us why we should vote for them rather than why we shouldn't vote for the other guy.

Ah, I see what you meant now.

However, I don't think it's going to help your side of the argument.

Why?

Because in an election situation, the voter in question knows not to vote for Hitler BECAUSE THEY ALREADY KNOW HOW EVIL HE IS... this is why you are able to even pose this question.  Trump and Hillary are not like Hitler: They're not people that have been pulled out of a history that we have already seen the outcome of.  We don't KNOW what major events might transpire during the next 4 to 8 years, yet looking back on Hitler, we KNOW that he would bring about the Holocaust.    But THIS election?  As with most, all I see is "two total idiots/jerks/morons/bullies/whatever".  Neither is good.  And, being unable to outright see into the future to spot which one is going to release the army of flying monkeys, there is no clear choice to make at all.  Just lots of gibberish flying in all directions.  So, your analogy cannot apply here.
I have to agree with you in that, we have no idea how bad either of them would end up being. Also, I had no problem with people not voting, but now I feel I have a better idea why they might not vote from this discussion, which is kind of interesting. (when it isn't just sheer laziness at least, which is probably the only real reason at least a few people who don't vote have, but now I am learning various other reasons they would not vote, rather than just knowing that there are various other reasons they may not vote)
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Re: Trump (clicking this is voluntary)
« Reply #65 on: February 01, 2017, 08:35:14 PM »
The fact that Misery cannot state quite easily and unequivocally that he would vote against Hitler- actually place a vote in an election- ends my conversation with Misery. I find it sick. Easiest question in the world.

In regards to laziness, there might be some of that running around, also. Can't be sure.
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« Reply #66 on: February 01, 2017, 09:49:03 PM »
The fact that Misery cannot state quite easily and unequivocally that he would vote against Hitler- actually place a vote in an election- ends my conversation with Misery. I find it sick. Easiest question in the world.

In regards to laziness, there might be some of that running around, also. Can't be sure.
It kind of seems to me that Misery just doesn't feel like answering such a (no offense intended)ridiculous question that doesn't really prove anything, as it would need to take place in completely different and incredibly unlikely circumstances, plus Misery didn't even understand the question until the last comment he addressed to you, or he just figured the answer was pretty obvious.
Though of course I can't say for certain any of those are the reasons.
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« Reply #67 on: February 01, 2017, 09:59:35 PM »
The fact that Misery cannot state quite easily and unequivocally that he would vote against Hitler- actually place a vote in an election- ends my conversation with Misery. I find it sick. Easiest question in the world.
What I find really sick, is that anyone would consider wasting time voting in an election where Hitler is a candidate instead of actively working at subduing the monster.
But hey, voting duty above all, right? ::)

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Re: Trump (clicking this is voluntary)
« Reply #68 on: February 01, 2017, 10:38:22 PM »
The fact that Misery cannot state quite easily and unequivocally that he would vote against Hitler- actually place a vote in an election- ends my conversation with Misery. I find it sick. Easiest question in the world.

In regards to laziness, there might be some of that running around, also. Can't be sure.
Why does this not surprise me at all?

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« Reply #69 on: February 01, 2017, 10:48:33 PM »
The fact that Misery cannot state quite easily and unequivocally that he would vote against Hitler- actually place a vote in an election- ends my conversation with Misery. I find it sick. Easiest question in the world.

In regards to laziness, there might be some of that running around, also. Can't be sure.

NOW you're getting a bit close to being a bit insulting this time.  As a moderator, consider this a small warning.  Please don't make me have to DO mod stuff here.  There's no reason for this sort of thing to go so far.  I'd rather not have to lock a topic or take any other actions that don't involve stomping bots.  But I will if I need to, so let's take it down a notch.  Normal debate only, please.

And as to the answer to your question, the answer that I apparently am not getting forth very well, well.... please see Logo's post above mine.

Why would mere VOTING be enough of a solution to freaking Hitler?  If you're up against such a vile force (and you actually are fully aware of that level of evil and his capabilities and intentions)... you need more than some silly ballots to make sure the problem is dealt with, I think.  You think a guy like that is simply going to play by the rules if he LOSES?  I think not.  Voting wouldn't be ENOUGH.   I mean, seriously.   And hell, in that situation, voting AT ALL would probably be a bloody horrible idea.  What do you think happens to the ones (and the families of the ones) that voted against if someone like that WINS?  No, you gotta stop it at the source before it ever gets that far.  The guy was a freaking monster.  Were he to resurface due to some foul magic, he would need to be dealt with accordingly.  Not by.... voting.  The very idea is ridiculous.  You may as well try to stop The Joker by asking politely for him to stop.


But hey, voting duty above all, right?

Aye, this has always been a part of my problem with the typical viewpoint of the "you have a DUTY" type.  Nobody ever stops to think if it will ACTUALLY accomplish anything, and also never stops to think if there may be OTHER, better options that could be chosen to help people.   They often hear the word duty, and it's like some sort of switch of glowing self-importance is set off.  I've had conversations like this one before, and they often go the same way.  And what always REALLY gets me is that the idea of doing things like, I dunno, HELPING PEOPLE DIRECTLY is often seen as WAY less important than the arbitrary voting process in a broken system that functons about as well as Windows 10 on a bad day.   People could go DO something for someone.  But no, instead, the voting lets them feel like they've accomplished something without having to REALLY do much (hell, you can do it with a couple of clicks nowadays, I'd bet).  Or for the non-lazy sort, it just outright OBSCURES things.  They COULD go help someone, and maybe at other times they would... BUT HOLY CRAPSTICKS, gotta have PRIORITIES, gotta go vote, that's SO much more important!   I've known people IRL that have seen things in EXACTLY that manner, and it's one of the reasons why I have such disdain for the system.

I rather get the impression here, too, that I could give a thousand direct examples of my having done such things to directly help people, but... it wouldn't matter.  Because I didn't throw my coin into that busted machine that's supposed to do something but instead just farts out bees.  And THAT, to me, is a huge part of the problem with politics.  It's not JUST poisonous:  It skews peoples' viewpoints of other things that may be so much more important.  They cant see what's right in front of them because OMG POLITICS. 

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Re: Trump (clicking this is voluntary)
« Reply #70 on: February 01, 2017, 10:50:02 PM »
The fact that Misery cannot state quite easily and unequivocally that he would vote against Hitler- actually place a vote in an election- ends my conversation with Misery. I find it sick. Easiest question in the world.

In regards to laziness, there might be some of that running around, also. Can't be sure.
Why does this not surprise me at all?

Which part?

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« Reply #71 on: February 01, 2017, 11:34:16 PM »
It's well within the rules to say that I find your comment to be sick. If it's not within the rules, please go on ahead and find the terms of service that say I cannot judge your comments as being sick.

If I were cussing you out, call you names, whatever, I can understand. But I get the point that if you want to take advantage of your moderator privilege, you could. You can threaten people you don't like, right? Anyways, as soon as I can find the ignore button, I'll happily turn your comments off.

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« Reply #72 on: February 01, 2017, 11:46:30 PM »
.....Did you even READ any of what was just posted?  You didn't, did you?  Are you THAT set on this that you cant accept that maybe there might be a bit of a hole in your logic? 

What part of "no I'm not going to freaking vote for freaking Hitler" isn't making sense, Cyborg?  How many times do I have to say it?

And who is threatening who?   Did you actually think I was going to ban you?  *sigh*   This is yet another reason I don't like politics.  It causes people in your position to start making assumptions about others around them.  I'm not going to DO anything to you.  That you actually thought I would.... that almost IS insulting.   What I'll DO is lock the TOPIC to prevent things from going bonkers, not ban anyone.  That's it.   Seriously, Cyborg...  Look, I understand negativity more than well enough to grasp some of your feelings on this matter, and God knows I'm unpleasant as all heck half the time myself and aint in much position to do that much lecturing, but surely you can see that this has gotten more than a bit ridiculous.   And I can tell you this, simply hitting Ignore on anyone that doesn't instantly agree with you on things isn't a good way to handle something like this.   If that's going to be your response to any debate.... like the thing with Wingflier, too... it'd probably be best if you considered refraining from further debates in the future.  Not that I'm actually going to STOP you, mind you... but do you really want to be going through this over and over like this?  Because it's gonna happen again, if you keep reacting like this.  You're gonna just end up with a pile of people on ignore, in situations that absolutely did not call for it, simply because you couldn't deal with the debate PROPERLY.   Seriously:  There's no reason to act like that.


However, the choice is up to you.   Know this though:  The only thing that ignoring me, or anyone else, is going to do is.... nothing.  I know people see that as the end-all be-all of forum control, but in reality it usually just causes piles of confusion during conversations, as people genuinely aren't even aware that their messages aren't being seen by someone (and as others that are also around aren't aware of it too). 

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« Reply #73 on: February 01, 2017, 11:48:51 PM »
Honestly, if anything gets to the point of 'Would you vote for hitler or not.', the question isn't whatever huge wall of text you two will come up with next, its 'How did he get so much support to be a legit option?'

Because there would clearly be something wrong, and it wouldn't be apathetic outlooks on politics.

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« Reply #74 on: February 01, 2017, 11:55:01 PM »
Honestly, if anything gets to the point of 'Would you vote for hitler or not.', the question isn't whatever huge wall of text you two will come up with next, its 'How did he get so much support to be a legit option?'

Because there would clearly be something wrong, and it wouldn't be apathetic outlooks on politics.

Aye, that's true.  But good luck explaining that in a situation like this.


Anyway, this really HAS gone too far:  For now, I'm going to lock it before he or anyone else gets all fired up and anyone else gets ignored/insulted/whatever for any conceivable reason.  Cant be having more of that, regardless of who it ends up directed at.