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Offline zespri

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Elemental - War of Magic
« on: June 27, 2011, 03:49:23 am »
I know that this is now an "old" game, and that this is a game that turned out to be fiasco. I wonder if anyone actually liked it?

In another thread we talked how Startdock has a game division to do what is their passion - games. We know that both GalCiv and (in a lesser degree) SOSE were a success.

Shortly after that Demigod came around. The bulk of Demigod was not produced by Stardock, it was done by Ironclad, but Stardock published the game, and I think was responsible for the game infrastructure. Shortly after the game launch it received devastating reviews, mainly due to the fact that single player was not the focus of the game and multi-player didn't work well, it was almost impossible to connect for more then 2 players. This was a real shame, because unlike Elemental, I liked Demigod a lot. I still think that Demigod had a lot of potential and could have been a famous game, should they executed it correctly. Who knows, may be if it filled the niche the would be no League of Legends... Anyway, they explained this failure, by the fact that they didn't know that for a multi-player game to work successfully one need to get a decent network engine, or otherwise face doom. Their multi-player model was peer-to-peer without central server, and required each player to be connected to each other player, which in practice didn't work too well.

So this is about Demigod. Then the Elemental development were in full gear. And Brad was talking how he would like to make sure, that something like what happened to Dimigod does not happen here. But  the game saw the same fate. This time this was not network engine. This was graphics engine. They developed it in-house and then they realised that it was not impossible to them to test in on the whole range of hardware (all the graphic cards), that users have.

In both case Demigod and Elemental, the games were made stable eventually. But while with Demigod I felt that it was a great game that could not reach its full potential, with Elemental it looked more or less as Civilization clone for me. They did try to bring some fresh ideas to the game, but somehow the game didn't feel like something new and exiting, on the opposite, it felt like something I played before many times.

It's funny how some games give you this feeling and some do not. For example Hellgate : London should have felt like something I'd played before, yet it did not. It was fun while it lasted.

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Re: Elemental - War of Magic
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2011, 08:35:44 am »
Hellgate was actually fun. Their mistake was not having funding for infrastructure/network as well as releasing extremely buggy code for their initial release. Lots of quests didn't even work. But overall, I had lots of fun playing it, and when it gets re-released very soon I'm going to take it for another spin. A far east publisher has purchased and will be allowing free access(or so I hear), so that means probably micro-transactions!

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Re: Elemental - War of Magic
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2011, 09:37:21 am »
True, but Hellgate London is probably still looked upon with suspicion even after all these years. I knew a guy who bought the lifetime subscription shortly before the game shut down; heaven only knows how many other people suffered the same fate. Besides, the MMO market is extremely competitive right now, even more so than when it came out. I'm skeptical at best.

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« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2011, 10:17:32 am »
True, but Hellgate London is probably still looked upon with suspicion even after all these years. I knew a guy who bought the lifetime subscription shortly before the game shut down; heaven only knows how many other people suffered the same fate. Besides, the MMO market is extremely competitive right now, even more so than when it came out. I'm skeptical at best.

oh yes. They got hosed and mistreated. I sympathize with those folks. I'm just talking from a fun perspective, I enjoyed the experience(maybe because I never subscribed).
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Re: Elemental - War of Magic
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2011, 10:25:11 am »
True, but Hellgate London is probably still looked upon with suspicion even after all these years. I knew a guy who bought the lifetime subscription shortly before the game shut down; heaven only knows how many other people suffered the same fate. Besides, the MMO market is extremely competitive right now, even more so than when it came out. I'm skeptical at best.

oh yes. They got hosed and mistreated. I sympathize with those folks. I'm just talking from a fun perspective, I enjoyed the experience(maybe because I never subscribed).
Well for what it's worth, I'll definitely be trying it out :) (didn't get a chance to the first go around)
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Re: Elemental - War of Magic
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2011, 11:06:32 pm »
Interesting, I thought that the plans to "restart" Hellgate would dissipate with time - who would want to play 4 years old game, after all? =)

Thank you for letting me know that they are reviving it. I'm not sure if I play though, because I played only single player game back then, and it does not seem that they are providing single player client any longer.