Spacebase DF-9

[Cyborg]

I hope you look more into DF-9 because they have not done a great job of making it "dwarf Fortress in space." If you are trying to do emergent gameplay of a space simulation, I have confidence you can do it well. You can't compete with graphics, but I think you can compete with skill as far as Double Fine goes.

You should really check into what they are doing if you haven't yet.

[keith.lamothe]

What we were planning was nothing nearly as wide&deep as Dwarf Fortress; it was very interesting but it was more focused on commerce simulation, etc.

What we're planning now sounds way more interesting to all of us, honestly.

[zespri]

Yeah, it's disapointing to hear, since I'd rather play a sim game from Arcen than one from double fine. But fair enough one have to think about their bottom line.

[x4000]

Josh and Keith and I all kind of looked around and were like "you know, their game sounds like something we'd rather play than our own."  Which was kind of a kick in the face.  The thing was, we had a central commerce simulation, and then a bunch of peripheral ideas with diplomacy and such.  So we took out the commerce simulation, kept the diplomacy, and added a whole slew of new bits that are really exciting.  I calculated out today that I have literally been on skype for 20+ hours this week.  And not an hour wasted!

[keith.lamothe]

And not an hour wasted!

Well, there was the part where we looked at mario hacks.  Thankfully, that wasn't part of the design discussion

[x4000]

Okay, but that was like 20 minutes.