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Re: So.. Independent Games Festival 2014 was rigged
« Reply #48 on: November 13, 2014, 09:30:25 am »
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Re: So.. Independent Games Festival 2014 was rigged
« Reply #49 on: November 13, 2014, 11:26:59 am »
I enjoyed this article on the topic of #Gamergate

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/12/The-authoritarian-Left-was-on-course-to-win-the-culture-wars-then-along-came-GamerGate

Just....wow.

I was curious how click-baity it was and it is very clickbait. I stopped reading when he said women don't make up 50% of gamers.
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Re: So.. Independent Games Festival 2014 was rigged
« Reply #50 on: November 13, 2014, 04:12:24 pm »
You should have stopped reading when you saw "Breitbart" in the URL.

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Re: So.. Independent Games Festival 2014 was rigged
« Reply #51 on: November 13, 2014, 04:54:44 pm »
You should have stopped reading when you saw "Breitbart" in the URL.

Never heard of the guy, I think I know why.
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Re: So.. Independent Games Festival 2014 was rigged
« Reply #52 on: November 13, 2014, 09:24:57 pm »
You guys must have some very different standards for what you consider honest journalism than I do.

Then again, to argue that males make up only 50% of the gamer community would be considered willful ignorance on my part. You're either living under a rock or in an alternate dimension. If that's the kind of thing that makes you stop reading articles, I applaud your highly attuned sense of political correctness.
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Re: So.. Independent Games Festival 2014 was rigged
« Reply #53 on: November 14, 2014, 02:11:53 am »
You guys must have some very different standards for what you consider honest journalism than I do.

Then again, to argue that males make up only 50% of the gamer community would be considered willful ignorance on my part. You're either living under a rock or in an alternate dimension. If that's the kind of thing that makes you stop reading articles, I applaud your highly attuned sense of political correctness.

"Honest" Journalism. K....and yet I'm reading a lot of click-baity articles on his website. I can't really comment more on Brietbart.com because I've never read the website before and have no opinion on their work.

Bwhahahahaha, I have political correctness. That's a new one. I've been accused of not being PC more than once recently, so to have it turned around on me is hilarious atm.

My personal experience has shown that just as many women game as men. Why this is still a debate that women don't game as much or in as many numbers escapes me. However, that said, there is some imbalance when it comes to certain areas like Pro-gamers and some niche genres. Yes, I know he said hard-core gaming but I've thrown out using that term because what the heck is "hardcore" gaming anymore? Playing a game for hours upon hours on end? Playing certain genres? Knowing a game inside and out? Watching e-sport tournaments? What? Frankly, if you say "person that plays a certain genre/game for hours upon end", I'll just point you to the Farmville/Candy Crush Saga players and call them hardcore. Because anyone that can tolerate playing those games for hundreds of hours is more hardcore than any SMITE/COD/SC2/PlanetaryAnnihilation/AI War/etc player. Because somehow they are able to play those games long after I've gotten sick of them. (might be some sarcasm in this paragraph).
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Re: So.. Independent Games Festival 2014 was rigged
« Reply #54 on: November 14, 2014, 05:32:13 am »
Sorry but I don't consider someone playing Farmville or Candy Crush on the iphone as a "gamer", even in the loosest sense of the word. And it's not because I'm a purist either. I also think there's a major difference between Youtube videos and professionally made movies as well. The production values, target audience, skills of the director/actor, crew is on a completely different level. Technically speaking, both movies and YT are "videos". So one could compare the two groups of people these attract and put them into the same category. However, I certainly wouldn't place an avid Youtube video watcher in the same category as a movie connoisseur, or somebody who devotes their professional career to watching and rating professionally made films.

In the same way, comparing the group of people who play Facebook or phone apps to the people who play fully fledged and professionally created games is comparing two different categories of people. When we say "gamer", it has a very different connotation than "Farmville player". In the same way that "movie connoisseur" has a different connotation than "Youtube video watcher". To me, such distinctions are quite obvious, especially considering the fact that the whole Gamergate discussion about dishonesty in gaming journalism is not, in any way, referring to the Farmville or Kim Kardashian Big Booty 2015 style games.
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Re: So.. Independent Games Festival 2014 was rigged
« Reply #55 on: November 14, 2014, 06:16:01 am »
Going to agree with Wingflier:

Players of facebook and players of professionally created games are not the same and are only weakly connected. So weakly connected that if one is willing to make  the jump from professional games to facebook games I would say go all out and include players of board games as "gamers".
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Re: So.. Independent Games Festival 2014 was rigged
« Reply #56 on: November 14, 2014, 06:18:27 am »
Sorry but I don't consider someone playing Farmville or Candy Crush on the iphone as a "gamer", even in the loosest sense of the word. And it's not because I'm a purist either. I also think there's a major difference between Youtube videos and professionally made movies as well. The production values, target audience, skills of the director/actor, crew is on a completely different level. Technically speaking, both movies and YT are "videos". So one could compare the two groups of people these attract and put them into the same category. However, I certainly wouldn't place an avid Youtube video watcher in the same category as a movie connoisseur, or somebody who devotes their professional career to watching and rating professionally made films.

In the same way, comparing the group of people who play Facebook or phone apps to the people who play fully fledged and professionally created games is comparing two different categories of people. When we say "gamer", it has a very different connotation than "Farmville player". In the same way that "movie connoisseur" has a different connotation than "Youtube video watcher". To me, such distinctions are quite obvious, especially considering the fact that the whole Gamergate discussion about dishonesty in gaming journalism is not, in any way, referring to the Farmville or Kim Kardashian Big Booty 2015 style games.

This I have to disagree with quite heavily.

Going with the whole Youtube VS actual movies thing:  That difference in production values, direction type, actors, blah blah blah.... irrelevant.  Utterly and totally irrelevant.  Why?  Look at some of the crap that comes out in movie form.  Shallow, baseless, offensive, boring, badly-written, crude... these words, I use to describe *alot* of movies these days.  It's gotten SO common that movies are like that to me... AKA, bloody awful... that I've given them up entirely and forever.  Oh, I'll be forced to see one every now and then, by friends that are so damn certain that such-and-such brilliant film will get me wanting to watch movies with them again.... and every single time, without exception, I come out of it thinking "Well that's 2 hours I cant have back" or something. And then I might throw something at them later or just shout alot.

And it's even worse with TV.  So much absolute trash on there... uuugh.  I'm happy and proud to say, that operating a TV cable/satellite/magical box thing (I dont even know what they're called or even what type of connection it is now!) is now totally a foreign (and completely insane) language to me.  Dont know how to do it.  Cant work the damn things at all.  This fact pleases me. That's how bad I consider it to be.  And I know it STAYS this way because people in the house, and every friend I know, is typically watching stuff when I'm around, so if I'm in the kitchen or nearby maybe doing something with the iPad or whatever, I'm gonna see/hear some of what's on the TV, and frankly it's typically so bad that just being in the room with it is depressing. 

Youtube though?  As much of a glitchy bug-bomb as the damn place is, it gives me the entertainment that fits *my* interests/desires/mindset and whatnot.  It gives me what TV and movies simply cannot, in that it actually holds my interest.  I particularly like watching LPs.  They fit within the realm of my "special interest", which is gaming as a whole, and when I can find an intelligent and amusing commentator that doesnt think that swearing and crude sex jokes make for "entertainment", then I've found someone that can give me the entertainment I actually want.  That it doesnt have proper "actors" or any of that doesnt matter worth a crap to me.   Those all-important actors fail utterly in entertaining me, so why should I care?  I only need bother with whatever/whoever DOES entertain me, and whatever/whoever does contain the values and traits that I'm looking for.   Why in the world would I do otherwise?  And why would I ever consider it to be anything less than so-called "real" video entertainment?


And so it goes with gaming.  Hell, let's think back for a moment to one of the greatest all-time classics:  Tetris.  Tetris came out a LONG time ago.  It was very definitely a REAL game.  There's not even the slightest doubt in my mind about this fact.  Yet, if that came had been first created NOW, with the exact same rules and the exact same EVERYTHING, not even one tiny change, it would be considered "casual" and not a "real" game. This I am also 100% sure of.  Even worse, it would be called this by those that havent tried it, not JUST by those that have.

Wheras I see things the other way around:  All them big, "real", AAA games?  Boring.  Shallow.  And worst of all to me, EASY.  If anything isnt a "real" game to me, it's very definitely those.  Even something like Dark Souls isnt good enough.  I've played it.  I got bored.  I dont get bored if I"m getting enough challenge in a game.  And something with as much challenge as THAT, which is to say, not all that much, is a RARITY.  Most of the "real" games out there give infinite continues, low difficulties, health regen (argh argh argh) and stuff like that, because heaven forbid someone might not "beat" the game.  Note that I put quotes around that word...

Does that ACTUALLY make those games bad though?  Of course not.  Just as with movies VS Youtube or whatever categories you want to compare along that line, it's purely a matter of perception.  And it's the same with the damn labels:  If someone is playing a game... they are gaming.  If they consider themselves a gamer... that is what they are.  Simple as that.


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Re: So.. Independent Games Festival 2014 was rigged
« Reply #57 on: November 14, 2014, 07:06:13 am »
You're welcome to consider casual Youtube video watchers and people who make a career out of criticizing and reviewing movies as part of the exact same category "video watchers". You can rationalize this however you want, I however, see a very definite distinction here. It's the same way between Facebook/phone apps vs. AAA games or Indie games made for PC. The quality itself is not even necessarily the most important factor, but also the way the games are played, the major differences in development, production values, competitive aspect, and of course the target audience.

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Does that ACTUALLY make those games bad though?  Of course not.  Just as with movies VS Youtube or whatever categories you want to compare along that line, it's purely a matter of perception.  And it's the same with the damn labels:  If someone is playing a game... they are gaming.  If they consider themselves a gamer... that is what they are.  Simple as that.
Keep in mind that Chess is also a game. So is Hockey, Football, Tennis, Match 4, etc. They are all "gamers". So how far are you willing to go with that line of reasoning? You have to make a distinction somewhere.
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Re: So.. Independent Games Festival 2014 was rigged
« Reply #58 on: November 14, 2014, 07:35:21 am »
So because Facebook gamers aren't real gamers, it's OK to dox Felicia Day.

Nope... still don't understand this movement.

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Re: So.. Independent Games Festival 2014 was rigged
« Reply #59 on: November 14, 2014, 07:38:50 am »
So because Facebook gamers aren't real gamers, it's OK to dox Felicia Day.

Nope... still don't understand this movement.

Where was this said? Just curious.
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