« previous next »
Pages: 1 ... 5 6 [7] 8 9 ... 11   Go Down

Author Topic: Shadow Era  (Read 37309 times)

Offline keith.lamothe

  • Arcen Games Staff
  • Arcen Staff
  • Zenith Council Member Mark III
  • *****
  • Posts: 19,505
Re: Shadow Era
« Reply #90 on: July 30, 2012, 09:43:13 am »
Quote from: Moonshine Fox on July 30, 2012, 09:32:07 am
I simply disagree then :P Pay to win is to gain an advantage non-paying customers have no chance of getting. Everything else is free to play where you can buy "time" in game.
I don't think you'd feel that way if Tribes offered "+100% damage" ammo for 10,000 hours of playtime or $10 ;)
Logged
Have ideas or bug reports for one of our games? Mantis for Suggestions and Bug Reports. Thanks for helping to make our games better!

Offline Wingflier

  • Core Member Mark II
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,753
  • To add me on Steam, click the little Steam icon ^
Re: Shadow Era
« Reply #91 on: July 30, 2012, 10:15:44 am »
We're just arguing semantics at this point, but like I said I think "pay for an advantage" is a more realistic phrase.  Pay to win (in my book) would be paying to guarantee a victory, instead of just increasing your chances of one.
Logged
"Inner peace is the void of expectation. It is the absence of our shared desperation to feel a certain way."

Offline zespri

  • Hero Member Mark III
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,109
Re: Shadow Era
« Reply #92 on: July 30, 2012, 11:24:01 am »
Quote from: Wingflier on July 30, 2012, 10:15:44 am
We're just arguing semantics at this point, but like I said I think "pay for an advantage" is a more realistic phrase.  Pay to win (in my book) would be paying to guarantee a victory, instead of just increasing your chances of one.
Semantics it is. In my mind pay to win means that if you want to have a fair chance of winning you HAVE to pay (but this does not guaranty winning) this is what is pay to win.
Logged

Offline keith.lamothe

  • Arcen Games Staff
  • Arcen Staff
  • Zenith Council Member Mark III
  • *****
  • Posts: 19,505
Re: Shadow Era
« Reply #93 on: July 30, 2012, 11:49:15 am »
Perhaps p2rapwhp2w is better: "pay 2 really annoy people who hate pay 2 win" ;)
Logged
Have ideas or bug reports for one of our games? Mantis for Suggestions and Bug Reports. Thanks for helping to make our games better!

Offline Aklyon

  • Core Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,089
Re: Shadow Era
« Reply #94 on: July 30, 2012, 11:54:37 am »
Yay for long acronyms?
Logged

Offline keith.lamothe

  • Arcen Games Staff
  • Arcen Staff
  • Zenith Council Member Mark III
  • *****
  • Posts: 19,505
Re: Shadow Era
« Reply #95 on: July 30, 2012, 11:58:23 am »
Quote from: Aklyon on July 30, 2012, 11:54:37 am
Yay for long acronyms?
I think p2rap may get the point across more concisely :)
Logged
Have ideas or bug reports for one of our games? Mantis for Suggestions and Bug Reports. Thanks for helping to make our games better!

Offline Aklyon

  • Core Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,089
Re: Shadow Era
« Reply #96 on: July 30, 2012, 12:06:25 pm »
That might already be taken by karaoke things you have to pay for, though.
Logged

Offline Mánagarmr

  • Core Member Mark V
  • *****
  • Posts: 4,272
  • if (isInRange(target)) { kill(target); }
Re: Shadow Era
« Reply #97 on: July 30, 2012, 02:56:11 pm »
Quote from: zespri on July 30, 2012, 11:24:01 am
Quote from: Wingflier on July 30, 2012, 10:15:44 am
We're just arguing semantics at this point, but like I said I think "pay for an advantage" is a more realistic phrase.  Pay to win (in my book) would be paying to guarantee a victory, instead of just increasing your chances of one.
Semantics it is. In my mind pay to win means that if you want to have a fair chance of winning you HAVE to pay (but this does not guaranty winning) this is what is pay to win.
Well, that depends. Winning the world championship on day one? Yeah, likely have to pay (provided you know the game to begin with). Win against others who started today and have similar rankings? You're on equal ground.
Logged
Click here to get started with Mantis for Suggestions and Bug Reports.

Thank you for contributing to making the game better!

Offline Cyborg

  • Master Member Mark III
  • *****
  • Posts: 1,957
Re: Shadow Era
« Reply #98 on: July 30, 2012, 11:18:05 pm »
Quote from: Moonshine Fox on July 30, 2012, 02:56:11 pm
Well, that depends. Winning the world championship on day one? Yeah, likely have to pay (provided you know the game to begin with). Win against others who started today and have similar rankings? You're on equal ground.

This is kind of funny. Nobody said that you get an instant victory window by purchasing day one DLC that boosts you past everyone else. I remember you doing it, and look at you now… you have played hundreds of hours and you really didn't need to purchase anything. All you got was an edge over everyone else for the low low price of… What was it, 15 dollars?

There's no shame in it. But seeing as you have everything anyways, it really makes my point that the reason people do this is to pay to win.

Let's look at the steam store for tribes:

Buy Tribes: Ascend - Steam Raider Pack
The Steam Raider Pack Includes the Raider Class, 13 weapons, and 2 skins.
PROMOTIONAL PRICE! Offer ends August 6th
-50%
$14.99
$7.49
Add to Cart
Buy Tribes: Ascend - Steam Starter Pack

Perfect for new players, the Steam Starter Pack includes: A lifetime 50% XP Boost, 4 Bonus Weapons for base classes, 2 class unlocks, 4 Perks, and 800 Tribes Gold.
$19.99

That's right, you can get a lifetime experience boost, bonus weapons, free class unlocks, and perks that will allow you to jump in and out of the game with different abilities while some lowly noob is grinding his way through the game. Please tell me how that's not advantage, and please tell me why $20 DLC doesn't really help you win the game.

Disclaimer: doesn't affect me. I don't play rigged games.
Logged
Kahuna strategy guide:
http://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,13369.0.html

Suggestions, bugs? Don't be lazy, give back:
http://www.arcengames.com/mantisbt/

Planetcracker. Believe it.

The stigma of hunger. http://wayw.re/Vi12BK

Offline Aklyon

  • Core Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,089
Re: Shadow Era
« Reply #99 on: July 31, 2012, 08:02:41 am »
Everyone who buys anything, even only once, gets that boost though, unless Steam's is somehow different from what I heard before.
Not saying Tribes is the best example to put up here (it could do with some notable tweaking), but its not the worst either. It seems more like a 'Hey, thanks for buying something, have a freebie'
Logged

Offline eRe4s3r

  • Core Member Mark II
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,825
Re: Shadow Era
« Reply #100 on: July 31, 2012, 08:55:12 am »
Anything where you can pay money to gain gameplay advantage over others who don't pay is pay to win.

To me, BF3 premium is the borderline case. It can not really be pay to win because even if you are premium you will not win against a good normal player, you just have access to 4 maps and there, everyone is premium, so it's balanced too. ;)

That said, they sell booster packs to get the unlocks which is actually kinda of a shortcut, but an advantage? Mhhh, not to me.

All f2p games are p2w though. And the new pest boil of the industry, founder bonus. Now THAT is really pay to win if done wrongly *hint* Mechwarrior Online.
Logged
Proud member of the Initiative for Bigger Weapons EV. - Bringer of Additive Blended Doom - Vote for Lore, get free cookie

Offline Aklyon

  • Core Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,089
Re: Shadow Era
« Reply #101 on: July 31, 2012, 09:11:23 am »
Quote from: eRe4s3r on July 31, 2012, 08:55:12 am
All f2p games are p2w though.
/sigh
Now we've gone in a circle again.
Logged

Offline keith.lamothe

  • Arcen Games Staff
  • Arcen Staff
  • Zenith Council Member Mark III
  • *****
  • Posts: 19,505
Re: Shadow Era
« Reply #102 on: July 31, 2012, 09:41:58 am »
Yep, the circle of gripe goes on ;)

I wonder how far these companies could get with a "if you pay us $10 we'll feature your rant against our business model!" approach ;)
Logged
Have ideas or bug reports for one of our games? Mantis for Suggestions and Bug Reports. Thanks for helping to make our games better!

Offline Aklyon

  • Core Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,089
Re: Shadow Era
« Reply #103 on: July 31, 2012, 10:24:02 am »
Quote from: keith.lamothe on July 31, 2012, 09:41:58 am
Yep, the circle of gripe goes on ;)

I wonder how far these companies could get with a "if you pay us $10 we'll feature your rant against our business model!" approach ;)
Depends on how much they believe in 'no publicity is bad publicity', probably.
Logged

Offline Wingflier

  • Core Member Mark II
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,753
  • To add me on Steam, click the little Steam icon ^
Re: Shadow Era
« Reply #104 on: July 31, 2012, 10:58:57 am »
I was personally a big fan of the old "pay $30, get full access to the game" approach but apparently that doesn't work anymore. I feel like the new "F2P/P2W" system operates on stupidity, because people who may have not even paid the $30 entry fee before often end up paying hundreds of dollars or more for the F2P model in the end.

*Sigh* Casual gamers.
Logged
"Inner peace is the void of expectation. It is the absence of our shared desperation to feel a certain way."
Pages: 1 ... 5 6 [7] 8 9 ... 11   Go Up
« previous next »