Master of Orion (4)

[zespri]

People seem to universally hate score victories, but in any game where players aren't getting wiped out, it's really the most honest one.

I hate score victories even in board games where they belong. In a computer game there is no excuse for a score victory.

[Aklyon]

Score victories are like 'hey, you won. time's up' out of nowhere. Its boring and can interrupt your lovely (or disastrous) attempt at a proper victory condition.

[Mick]

And other victories are like "hey, you won, now press END TURN 20 more times just because." 

[eRe4s3r]

And other victories are like "hey, you won, now press END TURN 20 more times just because." 

That's still better than Beyond Earth, where it flat out ended when the AI won without even informing you why or how. Or when you won, it gave you a tiny text-box "well done, game over" and literally quit to menu. I absolutely hate such lazy design. If I spend 70+ hours in 1 game mode on 1 map in 1 setting then I want a proper ending. Stats, detail, gratuitous level of pandering to my EGO and so on.

I still think that 4x games are all "bad" at best. How many you know where at the end you can say instead of "Exit/Continue" -> "2nd Phase" where the "empire" you built painted is now facing a greater external threat.. or whatever.. grml

[Captain Jack]

I still think that 4x games are all "bad" at best. How many you know where at the end you can say instead of "Exit/Continue" -> "2nd Phase" where the "empire" you built painted is now facing a greater external threat.. or whatever.. grml

I have no idea what you're trying to say. 

[eRe4s3r]

I mean there is no point playing a 4x more than once if the ending is always the same. Conversely I literally never "finished" a 4x more than once, started a ton of rounds.. never ended them. SOTS is definitely the primary culprit.. which is fun at the beginning only.

[Captain Jack]

Oh, I see. But I'm not sure I agree, since 4X as a genre is all about what happens to YOUR civ and how YOU deal with it. The ending is secondary compared to the journey there.

For what it's worth that's my biggest concern with Stardock's MoO4, I don't think they'll get the events/reactions right.

[zespri]

... Stardock's MoO4 ...

Stardock's? What are you talking about?

[Captain Jack]

Whoops, got my classic game revivals mixed up. Stardock is talking about bringing back Star Control. 

Point still stands about this game, just blanked on the creators.

[Aklyon]

Its a star control after 2, yeah? Or is it some sort of prequel shenanigans.

[Captain Jack]

No idea. Could be a remake of 2. Or one, haha. 

[Aklyon]

A remake of 2 would be pointless, though. We already have a free and fully working version of that.

[Captain Jack]

A remake of 2 would be pointless, though. We already have a free and fully working version of that.

Sure, but do we have one with AAAAAAAA style graphics, flight-sim combat and the vocal talents of Mass Effect? (note: I would go ballistic if they replaced the original voice talent)

My point was that we don't have any details on what the Star Control plan is. We can guess that Toys For Bob will not be involved because they're swimming in their Skylanders money, a la Scrooge McDuck.

[Mánagarmr]

To be fair, there's really not much lacking in the HD mod for Ur-Quan. Possibly 16:9 ratio and mouse control. Other than that, it's as good as any game to me.

[Aklyon]

My point was that we don't have any details on what the Star Control plan is. We can guess that Toys For Bob will not be involved because they're swimming in their Skylanders money, a la Scrooge McDuck.

I'd rather they were involved, honestly. I'd still likely give it a look even if they aren't, but they weren't involved for SC3 as far as I remember, and it ended up shunned for the most part.