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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2013, 03:36:45 pm »
Am I the only one here who has been so completely and utterly disillusioned by Blizzard and their business practices that hearing about a new WoW card game just seems like a huge profit-driven venture for suckers?

I've already got all my WoW friends raving about it and I'm facepalming.
Well all businesses are profit driven, that's the definition of the word.
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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2013, 06:35:07 pm »
This really reminds me of just how many card games there are recently. Magic (not sure if the digital version has mp, haven't played it), Shadow Era (which I got an email about an expansion soonish), Scrolls, Hearthstone, probably another one I miseed.

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2013, 09:26:03 pm »
This really reminds me of just how many card games there are recently. Magic (not sure if the digital version has mp, haven't played it), Shadow Era (which I got an email about an expansion soonish), Scrolls, Hearthstone, probably another one I miseed.
Shadow Era is very good imho. I need to try scrolls.  I've heard of it pre release but the it somehow fell off my radar. Magic though has never been a game for me.

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2013, 07:32:26 am »
This really reminds me of just how many card games there are recently. Magic (not sure if the digital version has mp, haven't played it), Shadow Era (which I got an email about an expansion soonish), Scrolls, Hearthstone, probably another one I miseed.

Might and Magic Duels of Champions, Sol Forge, Hex (which is in closed beta right now, but out soon)

So, at least three you missed. :)

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #34 on: November 21, 2013, 03:05:52 pm »
Hearthstone is the first card game since Shadow Era that actually interests me, and I'm saying that as someone who pretty much has a pet hatred against ActiBlizzard and everything they vomit out of their money-printing factory.  ;)
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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2013, 03:51:35 pm »
So, aside from "happy xmas" and all that, I play Hearthstone as well..... of course, without paying a single cent ;p

Arena is 100% fair (no bought cards etc) and gets you MAJOR rewards even with just 1 win, so your goal should always be to go for Arena (150 gold) If you want to full 150 gold back, you gotta win 7 times though, but normally you get a card pack, gold, and dust from the first win (which is more important than gold, as you can craft the cards you *need* to have a good deck in normal ranked play ;p)

Secondly, you want to first get all the Achievement stuff. Each of em are worth 100 gold...
Thirdly, dailies.. you can stack up to 3 of them, and you should do that if you are not feeling like grinding...  also you can "cancel and reroll" a daily you got once per day. With 3 stacked dailies, and a few wins in unranked you will have those 150 gold for Arena, which is the main drive of the game for me. Arena is insanely fun ;)

So basically, this game is not pay to win. The only thing money defines here is how much you can play Arena.

In ranked mode decks are very predictable, in Arena they aren't. The 2 limit for a card is not active in Arena, so you can have 5 of one of card, if you draw them in the random draw that is ;)

Basically, Hearthstone is my "an hour a day" fun game atm. Even though it's from Blizzard... the micro payment is nearly irrelevant. And unlike MTG you can craft cards here, which is a HUGE boon to compliment a deck in unranked/ranked or create new tactics.

So, this game is better than MTG, and has none of it's absurd randomness. You can redraw the first draw (And if you don't get a 1/2 card out of 4 in the first draw, your deck is badly balanced)

Rare thing to hear from me so.. this is fun.
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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2014, 09:13:18 am »
So, aside from "happy xmas" and all that, I play Hearthstone as well..... of course, without paying a single cent ;p

Arena is 100% fair (no bought cards etc) and gets you MAJOR rewards even with just 1 win, so your goal should always be to go for Arena (150 gold) If you want to full 150 gold back, you gotta win 7 times though, but normally you get a card pack, gold, and dust from the first win (which is more important than gold, as you can craft the cards you *need* to have a good deck in normal ranked play ;p)

Secondly, you want to first get all the Achievement stuff. Each of em are worth 100 gold...
Thirdly, dailies.. you can stack up to 3 of them, and you should do that if you are not feeling like grinding...  also you can "cancel and reroll" a daily you got once per day. With 3 stacked dailies, and a few wins in unranked you will have those 150 gold for Arena, which is the main drive of the game for me. Arena is insanely fun ;)

So basically, this game is not pay to win. The only thing money defines here is how much you can play Arena.

In ranked mode decks are very predictable, in Arena they aren't. The 2 limit for a card is not active in Arena, so you can have 5 of one of card, if you draw them in the random draw that is ;)

Basically, Hearthstone is my "an hour a day" fun game atm. Even though it's from Blizzard... the micro payment is nearly irrelevant. And unlike MTG you can craft cards here, which is a HUGE boon to compliment a deck in unranked/ranked or create new tactics.

So, this game is better than MTG, and has none of it's absurd randomness. You can redraw the first draw (And if you don't get a 1/2 card out of 4 in the first draw, your deck is badly balanced)

Rare thing to hear from me so.. this is fun.


I gotta say, I dont understand the bit about less randomness VS Magic.... if anything, it's about the same.  It's still a card game, so your draws each turn are random, you still have the random opening hand, and yes, you can redraw the opening hand in Magic, the difference being that in Magic you redraw the entire hand minus one card, but you also have a larger starting hand in that one and can actually redraw more than once if need be.... lessee.... Hearthstone has actual card effects that have randomness within them, which as far as I know is pretty much non-existent in Magic, or at least has been nonexistent in all the years Iv'e been into it....  One way or another randomness is a huge part of TCGs as a whole, and constructing a deck in such a way as to reduce the effects of that randomness is always part of the challenge.   In all honesty, I personally find that this game has MORE randomness than Magic most of the time.  Random effects on cards themselves just bug the hell outta me, always have, always will.  When I'm looking at cards to add to a deck, I want to know what that card WILL do and what options I WILL have with it when I use it.... I dont want to know just what it MIGHT do.  There's a huge difference there.

As for Arena mode, yes, it's less expensive than something like a sealed deck tournament (or whatever) in Magic..... buuuuut, in one of those, you KEEP the cards you get out of the packs that you use in the tournament. And of course there are assorted variations of that theme, as well as other tournament types.  In Arena, rewards are comparatively small and a bad run can leave you with not much at all.  Winning 7 games is necessary to recoup the cost required for entry.  If the player isnt doing that regularly, they'll either need to farm gold in constructed, or pay money.   And on the note of randomness, Arena itself has a monstrous amount of it (just like any TCG event of this sort), which is pretty much what the mode is designed around.



Now that's not to say that Hearthstone isnt good, because it is.  But as a longtime fan of M:TG, I had to say something there, heh.   

While Magic still remains my favorite game of this type, I've been heartily enjoying Hearthstone and finding it quite great myself.  .....particularly on nights when my dying modem is being an ass, as a bit of lag isnt going to wreck a match in a card game!  But overall, it's very fun.   I love the mechanics and how everything works, building decks for normal mode is fun, Arena is good too.... and for now at least, it's not terribly unbalanced, though there's a few issues in there.

I personally will end up playing a probably-equal combination of constructed and Arena.   One problem I have with the game though:  The absolutely dirt-slow pace of earning gold to buy packs with, combined with the absolute lack of any form of trading whatsoever.... this can make it really damn annoying to get cards that you want, for constructed.   Yeah, there's the crafting, but it's screwy and making cards often takes about a bazillion Dust, while disenchanting them often gives you like .000000000001 Dust.  Not fond of the crafting bit.   And I'm not exactly the patient sort.  So if I want to have more cards sometime this millennium, I do have to shell out some cash.

.....which for me isnt even a remote problem, but still, for those wanting to play constructed but on a tough budget, their card collection is going to grow VERY SLOWLY. 


One way or another though, overall this game was totally worth the very aggravating wait for a beta invite.  Been playing it for, hmm, 3 weeks now I think?  Much to learn yet, but it's been a blast so far, and I like the class system.  I love TCGs as a whole, and this is a darned good one. 

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #37 on: January 06, 2014, 10:10:25 am »
I'd like more practice partners. Anyone want to become Battle.net BFFs so we can duel and discuss card strategies? I find the game much more enjoyable when I can interact with the other player and play more than one match.

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #38 on: January 06, 2014, 01:15:25 pm »
I'd like more practice partners. Anyone want to become Battle.net BFFs so we can duel and discuss card strategies? I find the game much more enjoyable when I can interact with the other player and play more than one match.

Sure, I don't play a whole lot these days (nor do I have a whole lot of cards), but, send me a PM with your info and I'll send you a freind request next time I'm on.

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2014, 08:01:25 pm »
Aye, same here, for the most part.  I'm on pretty frequently, since games like this hold my attention well, but I'm still definitely new to the game and only have so many cards, though I did throw some money at it.

I'm generally always up for a match but I'm only on during the night since that's when I'm actually awake.  I'm easiest to get ahold of via Steam actually. 

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2014, 09:19:42 am »
Since it's open beta now I gave this a try, DLed it and played a few practice games.  It was more fun than I expected it to be. I love board games, but deck building games (both magic and dominion styled) I've always been meh about.  So think I'll likely play this for a little while, but building deck aspect won't really hold me into this - heh, which is kind of the appeal most people have in these games.

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #41 on: January 26, 2014, 09:06:26 am »
Since it's open beta now I gave this a try, DLed it and played a few practice games.  It was more fun than I expected it to be. I love board games, but deck building games (both magic and dominion styled) I've always been meh about.  So think I'll likely play this for a little while, but building deck aspect won't really hold me into this - heh, which is kind of the appeal most people have in these games.

That depends on how you look at it.

One approach is to build up a bit of a collection, and then get most of your actual deck designs from others online, instead of coming up with it yourself.  When you do this, you then focus only on the actual in-match strategy/tactics/something.  Which is interesting enough in it's own right... as with any TCG, there's no way to know what order your cards are going to come in, so you have to constantly adapt and strategize based on what you get.  Which also kinda lowers the need to constantly build decks.... one deck built can be used a great many times without you really getting bored, and instead of building new ones you can always just make minor tweaks if you see the need.

I personally like the deckbuilding aspect, but I'm much better at the in-match bit (and I also have so little patience that it's probably in the negatives), so I tend to sorta smash random cards together in no particular order (well, obviously not TOTALLY random) and then just start fighting with it immediately, making constant tweaks or even major changes after each match until I've "built" a deck I'm satisfied with.  This approach has always served me well in M:TG, and it's doing the same in Hearthstone so far.

If you dont like deckbuilding though, I'd advise not playing Arena mode, because that mode is entirely ABOUT deckbuilding. Not quite in the same way though.... building an Arena deck typically takes much less time than building a normal one due to the very different way that Arena decks are constructed.

I still aint messed with that mode myself yet.... it requires more knowledge than I have, but it sounds like great fun to me.


Overall, still playing this alot, loving it that much more each time.  Gots me a super-defensive Paladin deck (which had a 25-turn match at one point that caused my opponent to die from card loss damage), and a super-aggressive Warrior deck that leads to many chances to say "Hahaha NOPE" when my opponent plays a minion.  Still have plenty to learn yet, and cant wait until they start going with making new cards for the game.  Always exciting whenever a new expansion comes out for a TCG.

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #42 on: January 26, 2014, 12:11:16 pm »
I've actually played around with it some and find the game both at once infuriating and fun to varying degrees and amounts.

I've actually found arena mode to be more enjoyable than straight up battle mode because A) getting the cards for regular mode seems tedious and B) its very much a guided process, only 3 cards to pick from instead of your entire collection.

The narrowed down choices (and equal footing in selections) makes building a deck for arena more enjoyable than the other modes I've found.

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Re: Hearthstone
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2014, 06:05:35 am »
the most gayiest game i ever seen?..

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« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2014, 07:06:37 am »
I've actually played around with it some and find the game both at once infuriating and fun to varying degrees and amounts.

I've actually found arena mode to be more enjoyable than straight up battle mode because A) getting the cards for regular mode seems tedious and B) its very much a guided process, only 3 cards to pick from instead of your entire collection.

The narrowed down choices (and equal footing in selections) makes building a deck for arena more enjoyable than the other modes I've found.


Yeah, that's the one issue with it, is that it takes a really absurd amount of time to build up a collection if you're not using actual money.

I just throw cash at it, I have no patience for the slow earning.

 

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