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CNC4 - Yet another preemptive disappointment.
« on: March 18, 2010, 10:53:40 pm »
I am disappointed in the change of RTS style, from a normal base-building type of game, to a Dawn of War type of tactical RTS, especially on the last saga of Command and Conquer.  I have not played the game yet, however I can tell it does not satisfy my preference because of the radical changes, because as a particular cliche mentions, "If it isn't broken, don't fix it."  The embarrassing Gamespot score of 6.9/3.6 user score is another preemptive sign of trouble.  Reading that the game is all about spamming units, that hardly impresses me, and reminds me of my other disappointing experience with SupCom 2, but worse. 

Greatly conflicted by EAs choice of change, I have theorized with ease that:
- All the diehard fans of CNC will surely purchase this game because it is of course, the last game of the [tiberium] series, and people will want to commemorate the long history of CNC in retrospect.  Therefore, this is an opportune time for EA to "experiment" whilst earning a profit by twisting the game into a FUBAR wanna-be synergy.  Consider it a survey of sorts to guage the community where people have their money stolen.

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CNC3 was a fantastic game, all they had to do was recycle that formula with a few new features and new units and they would have had a game 10 times better than this.

I am unable to disagree with this argument:  CNC3 was a thorough experience, and I enjoyed my time with it (excluding Kane Wrath's defunct AI).  I'm happy to say that I purchased all games from the first CNC95 to Kane's Wrath (multiple times overlapping), but beyond that remains an empty area of dignity with EAs direction.  For what EA has done to the legacy of CNC, I cannot forgive, and reading other user reviews, I cannot help but feel a collective shame.

What bothers me most are reviews from well-experienced and reasonable players such as:
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/commandandconquer4/player_review.html?id=712891&tag=player-reviews;continue;2

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I am so absolutely fed up with developers making games so simple and streamlined, they are killing video gaming with this avalanche of casual crap.
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To add insult to injury, the DRM system is a freaking joke. Even if you want to play skirmish or campaign you need a constant internet connection.
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CNC3 was a fantastic game, all they had to do was recycle that formula with a few new features and new units and they would have had a game 10 times better than this.

Precisely the reason why I don't purchase games in advance anymore, because I have unlearned to trust developers.  Consider it a defense-mechanism not for my material money, but for my mental respect.

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Re: CNC4 - Yet another preemptive disappointment.
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2010, 01:05:43 am »
Didn't even bother giving it a chance after I heard it was adopting Ubisoft's BS DRM style.

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Re: CNC4 - Yet another preemptive disappointment.
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2010, 02:24:51 am »
Didn't even bother giving it a chance after I heard it was adopting Ubisoft's BS DRM style.
This. Sometimes you just wanna go pirate, to shove it back in the face of those bastards :(
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Re: CNC4 - Yet another preemptive disappointment.
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2010, 01:57:20 pm »
Sadly I noticed that only after buying it... so I will live with it for now. If I scratch Ubisoft and EA form list of game producers things are starting to look badly...
Lets wait for Blizzard and what they will put in SC2 :|

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Re: CNC4 - Yet another preemptive disappointment.
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2010, 08:43:56 am »
Didn't even bother giving it a chance after I heard it was adopting Ubisoft's BS DRM style.

This!

Also all the other wierd stuff.
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Re: CNC4 - Yet another preemptive disappointment.
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2010, 09:04:08 am »
Sadly I noticed that only after buying it... so I will live with it for now. If I scratch Ubisoft and EA form list of game producers things are starting to look badly...
Lets wait for Blizzard and what they will put in SC2 :|

I think you will be in for an EPIC -bad- suprise there, SC2 is not SC2, its starcraft 1 with better graphics, and sc1 gameplay didn't age very well. By todays standards (world in conflict and the few good rts) the beta is a joke game-play wise. If you love microing tiny units and super-small super-short engagements then sc2 is for you.. as someone who played the beta i can however tell you, if you want cinematic war, dynamic battlefields and intelligent unit behavior, then sc2 is not what you wait for.

After supcom and cnc4 however, i think developers all lost the grasp of reality. These games are utter, utter crap.. heck the only good thing about cnc4 is the music and video sequences.
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Re: CNC4 - Yet another preemptive disappointment.
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2010, 09:53:59 am »
Sadly I noticed that only after buying it... so I will live with it for now. If I scratch Ubisoft and EA form list of game producers things are starting to look badly...
Lets wait for Blizzard and what they will put in SC2 :|

I think you will be in for an EPIC -bad- suprise there, SC2 is not SC2, its starcraft 1 with better graphics, and sc1 gameplay didn't age very well. By todays standards (world in conflict and the few good rts) the beta is a joke game-play wise. If you love microing tiny units and super-small super-short engagements then sc2 is for you.. as someone who played the beta i can however tell you, if you want cinematic war, dynamic battlefields and intelligent unit behavior, then sc2 is not what you wait for.

After supcom and cnc4 however, i think developers all lost the grasp of reality. These games are utter, utter crap.. heck the only good thing about cnc4 is the music and video sequences.

I think this summs it up well.

I mean, I absolutly loved SC and BW when it came out. Heck I got SC right when it came out, like 15 years ago or so :)

And I liked SupCom.

What I have seen of SC2 really seems to reinforce the 15 year old "Warcraft in Space" comment, sadly. Seems too cartoonish and bright (I noticed the Terran battlecruiser moving when firing, why would half of a huge piece of metal space ship move to fire an energy weapon in this fashion (too cartoonish)? Where is the dark nature that made the SC setting what it is?

Also seems too much focus on microing from what I gather.

I think SC was succesfull not only because it was a good game, but because of the time it was released. It had numerous refenreces to old sci fi movies and such that is just not the same today.


This is why I really love devs such as Arcen. Take AI War, really a masterpice of a game. New, fresh, and solid gameplay. The graphics is not 3d, but it does not need to be, the 2d is sufficient /and pretty) by far as long as the gameplay is good! And that is what I want in a game, gampleay, if I want fluff I will look at pretty pictures or movies :P. The same reason I liked fallout 1 and 2 better then 3.

And the fact that you get the option to speak to the devs. I don't think a dev has ever replied to my post on their forums before I came here ;). Its kinda like good old fashined game comapnies, with the focus on making good games, not the too persistent focus on selling a game like most big companins have now a days. Its alsomt as if the comapnines has been blinded by greed and try to milk the players rather then pleas them wiht a good game with solid playability.

Heck, i would by SC2 even if it had the same graphics as the old one, but offred good gameplay that exanded on the old one, maybe with a few innovations and new tricks.
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Re: CNC4 - Yet another preemptive disappointment.
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2010, 11:44:32 am »
Oi, sorry for the confusion, with sc1 i mean starcraft 1 - not supcom 1 ;p I am talking about Starcraft 1 and starcraft 2 ! But yes, supcom 2 and cnc4 as well as starcraft 2 all face the same problems meaning, they either weren't developed or are actually regressing, game-play wise.
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Re: CNC4 - Yet another preemptive disappointment.
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2010, 11:55:55 am »
Oi, sorry for the confusion, with sc1 i mean starcraft 1 - not supcom 1 ;p I am talking about Starcraft 1 and starcraft 2 ! But yes, supcom 2 and cnc4 as well as starcraft 2 all face the same problems meaning, they either weren't developed or are actually regressing, game-play wise.

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I feel the same as you in respect too all of these new games ;).
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Re: CNC4 - Yet another preemptive disappointment.
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2010, 02:44:52 pm »
Actually I need to agree also. C&C 4 is some strange creation of people with skewed idea about RTS's.

I downloaded Settlers 7 demo recently.. and that is one more to add to list of disappointments. They were promising returning to roots (S3/4) but they introduced some strange things like victory points, prestige to buy additional upgrades and so called paths that in theory specialize you in combat, science or trade. I played a bit but that game is definitely missing something, building your village is no longer what it used to be.

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Re: CNC4 - Yet another preemptive disappointment.
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2010, 02:51:29 pm »
Same here, and worse is that there isn't a single good medieval eco sim around at all. Heck for my sim needs i even went back to playing civ 4 and mods.

I don't know what this disease is but most games recently have become... not dumbed down, but casualized. They no longer have any long-term depth or complexity to them. Anno 1404 is the rare exception but even that is not really a hard-eco sim. More like a casual approach of large scale supply and demand... Why doesn't anyone make a realistic medieval economic and warfare sim. Take Anno 1404 and add inquisition, religion, witch hunts and crimes/cruel evil stuff. Then add fantasy game on top, magic, demons etc.

Ah.. the state of PC-Gaming is really depressing...
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Re: CNC4 - Yet another preemptive disappointment.
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2010, 07:48:39 pm »
Yeah. The big comapnies are just in it for the money, and I guess they earn somewhat more by churning out a bunch of generic games. No soul in it anymore so to speak.

I guess the few of us have been lucky to actually expereince the dawn of gaming, with the small game companies that put soul into their games.

Thats why I like indy games, its kinda like the good days where its the quality of the game thats importent, not how much it sells, and games had a bit more of a personal touch. I still remember all the nice easter eggs in Fallout 1 and 2 for instance ;).

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Re: CNC4 - Yet another preemptive disappointment.
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2010, 05:41:21 pm »
I found this interesting:
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