DOTA invitational and rampant racism

[Cyborg]

The matches have been mildly entertaining. Haven't seen anything that amazing, really. But that's not what this post is about. There happen to be a lot of multicultural and multinational players in this tournament, and of course because it's a worldwide invitational! But in true MOBA shit community fashion, I was not shocked to see the chat flooded with anti-Chinese comments.


I'm not going to compare communities, or hold up some other game in comparison, I'm just posting because I'm frustrated that I believe the gamer community to be better than this. We have the opportunity to break down borders and become friends. But instead, nothing but anonymous hate spewed at the screen. There are so many reasons for this, I'm aware of what they are, it's just deflating. It's hard to cheer with an online crowd like that. 

[Mánagarmr]

I'm just posting because I'm frustrated that I believe the gamer community to be better than this.

Well, there's your mistake. The so called "gamer community" is filled with everything from 6-7 year olds up to 60+ with a very heavy overload around 13-17 year olds. Almost exclusively men. I'm not talking about who are gamers, but who are actually being a part of the community. With that many hormone ridden, young, inexperienced, insecure and ignorant men all gathered up in one place where you do not have to take responsibility for anything you do...well, then you can't expect anything but a freaking ****storm. They will act like complete douchebags because they think it's cool. When one guy starts, others will try to trump his douchiness because they want to be cooler. Cue crap hitting the fan.


It's depressing and beyond everything else incredibly tiresome and stupid. I'm nearing 40 and this kind of behaviour is extremely tiresome and stupid, but you know there's really nothing we can do at this point but accept the fact that those assholes hopefully will grow up one day.

[TheVampire100]

First, it's called internatuinal, not invitational. Second: Dota has always been a very racist and unmature community.

Like Managarmr (excuse me that I'm not using the axon) already said, the majority of the Dota community is driven by young adolescents in their puperty. They are even among the professionals. And when you are at that age you have to struggle with sudden frustation and anger rises. And what is the most obvious thing to do when you have one of this moments? You lash out on everyone on your or the opposite team, in most cases even on both. And the first thing you will notice are people from other countries or with another cultural background. You can notice those very fast because they use a name in another language or type in another language...
Or their english is not the best of the best for some this suffice already to be a prick.
I try to keep my games calm at the most times because you get tired of all that rage and hate. Dota is a game where you win and loose at a fairly fair rate. I have always a 50:50 win:loss rate with slightly more losses than victories. That's because Dota is very balanced and the Matchmaking is very well done. otherwise good people would always team up with other good people against bad people and stack their victories. i know that some very good players have more victories than losses (75:25 rate?) but the average player will always stay at the same step. And palyers should finally realize this. Someone will always best you. if you win some games you will play against better players. And if they are better than you and your team you loose. You could eat it and say "okay, today I lost, I have to improve" or you can of course throw every bad word you know at the other players.
Blaming others is always easier as looking on your own mistakes. I know that I'm an average or underaverage player. I'm not very good but I still like the game and will play on. I try to improve and know when I'm doing mistakes.

There is only one thing that disturbs me. Even if dota is an multicultural game with many different languages, I cannot bear when russians (mostly russians but also spanish and last time I even saw multiple french) type in their language that I cannot decipher.If Dota would allow to copy the text so I can just google what that certain russian throw against me it wouldn't be a problem but I cannot do it and so I have to guess. Since they use their own alphabet it's even more a pain because I cannot type the words myself to look them up. Instead I had to get a sheet with cryllic letters and copy letter after letter to get a single word. Bonus points if it was just an insult.
I can choose which language I want to type with and I take always English, still in every game there are 3-4 russians. But to be fair, they are in the enemy team so this is more or less okay since I don't have to know what they want from me.
I think next time I'm just typing German if they bombard me with their language because they are to ignorant to use english even if you asked them for it.

[kasnavada]

Well, there's your mistake. The so called "gamer community" is filled with everything from 6-7 year olds up to 60+ with a very heavy overload around 13-17 year olds.

Actually... that's a common misconception.

http://venturebeat.com/2014/04/29/gaming-advocacy-group-the-average-gamer-is-31-and-most-play-on-a-console/

There are LOADS of studies about that. If you look at Dota and Lol specific information and polls (for lack of a "real" information and statistics from devs) it would seem like the average age is much closer to 20... but the form that those polls take will draw younger persons.

https://infogr.am/dota-214355163121

http://strawpoll.me/359581/r

I'm pretty sure that there are other sources around.


That said I don't contradict the "racist and immature" part. But I give it other causes than young age. First of all because you don't need to be young to be that stupid, racist and immature - and because it takes one or two (vocal & loud people) out of 100 persons to make an entire community look one way or the other. What I attribute that impression to is basically people over-generalizing, groupthink, the inability of mods to efficiently counter trolling, and that's about it.


PS: I'm 33, got 2 kids & a wife. Still, I think most adolescents are decent people. From what I've seen over the last decades of online gaming is that people (yes, including girls) from 20-35 are most of the problem "childs" of gamer communities. A lot of kids I've known for a while online actually look for alternate role models when playing with "old" people (or, just don't care). That's the experience I've got from when I played Dofus or WoW and other online games (gunbound comes to mind too).

[Wingflier]

It's Twitch chat lol, what else did you expect...

I'm assuming you don't spend a lot of time on Twitch, because every channel is basically like that. People get off on being as obnoxious and offensive as they can possibly be. They're just trying to get a reaction and in this case it clearly worked.

If you're interested you can just type "Twitch trolling" on YouTube and you'll find thousands of videos, from all different genre of games, of the same kind of behavior you experienced.

https://youtu.be/y3RAbc4l-Jg <------ Warning, this video is offensive.

[Aklyon]

Twitch chat's worthwhileness is inversely proportional to the size of the channel. Small speedrunning ones can have readable chat, anything remotely close to the top is not even worth the time it takes to load. Twitchplayspokemon is probably the exception, since it bends the chat to its purpose.

[kasnavada]

Twitch chat's worthwhileness is inversely proportional to the size of the channel. Small speedrunning ones can have readable chat, anything remotely close to the top is not even worth the time it takes to load. Twitchplayspokemon is probably the exception, since it bends the chat to its purpose.

Any discussion's worthwhileness is inversely proportional to the quantity of person participating.

[Misery]

It's Twitch chat lol, what else did you expect...

I'm assuming you don't spend a lot of time on Twitch, because every channel is basically like that. People get off on being as obnoxious and offensive as they can possibly be. They're just trying to get a reaction and in this case it clearly worked.

If you're interested you can just type "Twitch trolling" on YouTube and you'll find thousands of videos, from all different genre of games, of the same kind of behavior you experienced.

https://youtu.be/y3RAbc4l-Jg <------ Warning, this video is offensive.

Yeah, I can second this.   To a point.

Dont get me wrong:  I find the moba communities, particularly that of Dota and LoL, to be among the absolute worst, most offensive piles of idiotic jerkbags in gaming as a whole; I consider only the fighting game community to be worse.  Suffice it to say though, that if I'm playing LoL or Dota, I dont exactly bother watching the chat too much.  It's all either a bucket of insults, trolling attempts, or even lies to get you killed in a variety of stupid fashions.  I understand completely why some players of these games just auto-mute absolutely everyone.

That all being said though.... yes, Twitch is a pretty hideous place.  It's like Youtube comments, except that they move around and spawn in realtime.  And are exponentially more numerous.  The more popular the streamer, the derpier and more jackassy the commenters, and in greater numbers.  It's very definitely not limited to any specific events.  However, any major event draws them in even greater numbers than usual, which, well.... yeah.  It's a cesspool of stupidity.

[Aklyon]

Its probably why GDQ has two chats when its going. You have the twitch chat, which is full of emoticon spam constantly, and you have the quakenet irc, which usually has complaining at worst when the ops are paying attention.

[crazyroosterman]

It's Twitch chat lol, what else did you expect...

I'm assuming you don't spend a lot of time on Twitch, because every channel is basically like that. People get off on being as obnoxious and offensive as they can possibly be. They're just trying to get a reaction and in this case it clearly worked.

If you're interested you can just type "Twitch trolling" on YouTube and you'll find thousands of videos, from all different genre of games, of the same kind of behavior you experienced.

https://youtu.be/y3RAbc4l-Jg <------ Warning, this video is offensive.

Yeah, I can second this.   To a point.

Dont get me wrong:  I find the moba communities, particularly that of Dota and LoL, to be among the absolute worst, most offensive piles of idiotic jerkbags in gaming as a whole; I consider only the fighting game community to be worse.  Suffice it to say though, that if I'm playing LoL or Dota, I dont exactly bother watching the chat too much.  It's all either a bucket of insults, trolling attempts, or even lies to get you killed in a variety of stupid fashions.  I understand completely why some players of these games just auto-mute absolutely everyone.

That all being said though.... yes, Twitch is a pretty hideous place.  It's like Youtube comments, except that they move around and spawn in realtime.  And are exponentially more numerous.  The more popular the streamer, the derpier and more jackassy the commenters, and in greater numbers.  It's very definitely not limited to any specific events.  However, any major event draws them in even greater numbers than usual, which, well.... yeah.  It's a cesspool of stupidity.

1 that's why I don't really watch twitch very much the chat goes by to fast for me 2 I've had a pretty decent experience with twitch chat personally but that's probably because I don't really watch it very much honestly the only person I watch is total biscuit 3 just out of curiously is there some place I can see the sorts of things that were being said? personally I don't like to jump to conclusions on really anything unless I've seen sufficient evidence for my self especially racisisim people tend to call racism on things which just aren't for example the witcher 3 with the tirades that went on about that despite the fact that it was being realistic(for lack of a better word) to the fact that it was based in a medieval world?(disclaimer I'm mainly basing that of when they talked about it on the co optional podcast I haven't actually played the game my self)

[Cyborg]

Everyone assumed twitch chat. I'm talking about the actual tournament site.


Not that it matters. I get that having a large audience is irresistible to your everyday Internet troll.

[crazyroosterman]

Everyone assumed twitch chat. I'm talking about the actual tournament site.


Not that it matters. I get that having a large audience is irresistible to your everyday Internet troll.

is there a way to look through the chat that was on for the tournament?.

[Cyborg]

Everyone assumed twitch chat. I'm talking about the actual tournament site.


Not that it matters. I get that having a large audience is irresistible to your everyday Internet troll.

is there a way to look through the chat that was on for the tournament?.

Just go to twitch, it's still going right now.

[Aklyon]

...then its still twitch chat. Which we were talking about.

[Misery]

It's Twitch chat lol, what else did you expect...

I'm assuming you don't spend a lot of time on Twitch, because every channel is basically like that. People get off on being as obnoxious and offensive as they can possibly be. They're just trying to get a reaction and in this case it clearly worked.

If you're interested you can just type "Twitch trolling" on YouTube and you'll find thousands of videos, from all different genre of games, of the same kind of behavior you experienced.

https://youtu.be/y3RAbc4l-Jg <------ Warning, this video is offensive.

Yeah, I can second this.   To a point.

Dont get me wrong:  I find the moba communities, particularly that of Dota and LoL, to be among the absolute worst, most offensive piles of idiotic jerkbags in gaming as a whole; I consider only the fighting game community to be worse.  Suffice it to say though, that if I'm playing LoL or Dota, I dont exactly bother watching the chat too much.  It's all either a bucket of insults, trolling attempts, or even lies to get you killed in a variety of stupid fashions.  I understand completely why some players of these games just auto-mute absolutely everyone.

That all being said though.... yes, Twitch is a pretty hideous place.  It's like Youtube comments, except that they move around and spawn in realtime.  And are exponentially more numerous.  The more popular the streamer, the derpier and more jackassy the commenters, and in greater numbers.  It's very definitely not limited to any specific events.  However, any major event draws them in even greater numbers than usual, which, well.... yeah.  It's a cesspool of stupidity.

1 that's why I don't really watch twitch very much the chat goes by to fast for me 2 I've had a pretty decent experience with twitch chat personally but that's probably because I don't really watch it very much honestly the only person I watch is total biscuit 3 just out of curiously is there some place I can see the sorts of things that were being said? personally I don't like to jump to conclusions on really anything unless I've seen sufficient evidence for my self especially racisisim people tend to call racism on things which just aren't for example the witcher 3 with the tirades that went on about that despite the fact that it was being realistic(for lack of a better word) to the fact that it was based in a medieval world?(disclaimer I'm mainly basing that of when they talked about it on the co optional podcast I haven't actually played the game my self)

Oh, I dont mean JUST racism when I say all of that.   I mean every manner of insults, offensiveness, and trolling that you could possibly think of.  All at the same time.  Loudly.  Nonstop. 

As for proof... you really just have to go there yourself, that's all.   "There" being not just Twitch, but anywhere something is happening.    Particularly an event like this one, which is pretty damn big.