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Re: Do you like Diablo 3?
« Reply #210 on: June 16, 2012, 04:06:30 pm »
Once again, all decisions that couldn't be made by computers would be made my experts instead.  The computer's job would simply be to most cleanly and efficiently monitor the world economy and make changes as necessary.  How to program that would be a vote among experts.

That's a heck of a lot better than letting everybody vote - the results of which we've seen.
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Re: Do you like Diablo 3?
« Reply #211 on: June 16, 2012, 05:32:37 pm »
I would be highly amused to see the result if the constitution and bill-of-rights of the government of my country (the U.S.) had been entered into a computer and no law or executive order or supreme-court decision could be made binding unless said computer did not find any contradiction between it and the founding laws.  Of course, just having those laws/orders/decisions have to be expressed in precise enough terms for such analysis would be a tremendous difference.

The error messages would be great.  But I don't think I could give any examples without starting conversations I don't want to have ;)

Anyway, a computer would probably be an improvement in degree over a written constitution, but not an improvement in kind on the issue of stopping later generations from simply ceasing to pay attention to it (or reprogramming it with a very large axe).
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Re: Do you like Diablo 3?
« Reply #212 on: June 16, 2012, 06:55:16 pm »
I don't see how it gives any more or less incentives to follow the laws than our system does now.

People are going to follow the laws, or they aren't.  Generally, the reason people don't follow the laws is not because they have some intrinsic problem with authority, it's typically because they are unhappy with their situation and/or have been raised in an abusive environment.

It's been statistically proven that poverty and crime go hand in hand.  This is why the countries with the least wealth disparity have the least amount of crime.  If the Resource-Based Economy gets rid of the poverty, it most likely gets rid of the crime.

Also of note - in Jacque Fresco's view of the Resource-Based Economy, jails and punishment don't exist, only rehabilitation.  Considering that punishment is one of the main motivators of crime, this dynamic shift in our attitudes could possibly wipe it out completely.

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Re: Do you like Diablo 3?
« Reply #213 on: June 16, 2012, 07:59:50 pm »
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When you say people that "own" the resources would be rich, you are stuck in the Capitalistic mindset.  "Rich" wouldn't be a concept, because money wouldn't exist anymore.  Nobody would own the resources, the resources would belong to everybody.

There would be no ruling hierarchy or democracy, most of the major decisions will be made using algorithms and technology...

But just because you say resources belong to everybody resources are NOT infinite, they can not belong to everybody unless everybody got a LOT less than 7 billion and everybody suddenly got responsible, and crime was eliminated as are wars.. And how would you make anyone do work that nobody wants to do, like construction, maintenance and assorted services without which you could not actually do anything but which requires huge labor with very little reward particularly for large projects?

You are forgetting the main-line of population that earth can support in equilibrium is 2 billion that's assuming everyone would have the HIGHEST current standard of living and eat like an above average American (not just a "high" standard of living). So unless you have a way to get 5 billion people to go away elsewhere I don't see resource based economy ever reaching a level where its sustainable. Even if sustainable, you would be competing against entropy at the very least so your resources would always dwindle making space exploration for resource retrieval mandatory no matter what. And while you say most resources are abundant that may be true, but you forget that only 20% of the world even has access to the products of said resources. The rest is busy not to starve.

And if you argue that we could sustain 7+ billion, yes we could, unless you want to have a planet to live on in 200 years. Because climate change won't suddenly stop, as you could never get everyone on boat, at least half the world would compete against you with capitalism and might even wage war for your resources. Only real way for such a project like Venus to work out is an extinction event where at best 2% to 3% of the human race survives. With a strong control of birth rate, resource and power consumption. I guess I am just too jaded to see how resource based economies could get over this problem. The fact is, someone who works for nothing, might be inclined to work for money to get more than you offer him for free. You can not stop greed in humans
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Re: Do you like Diablo 3?
« Reply #214 on: June 16, 2012, 11:35:16 pm »
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But just because you say resources belong to everybody resources are NOT infinite
Excuse me which resources aren't infinite?  The resources that we need to survive are infinite for all intents and purposes.  Food, water, wood, electricity (geothermal, tidal, etc.), rock, metal, we aren't likely to run out of these anytime soon.  Fossil fuels yes, but the idea is to get away from fossil fuels since they are so finite.

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they can not belong to everybody unless everybody got a LOT less than 7 billion and everybody suddenly got responsible, and crime was eliminated as are wars..
As I said, crimes are committed for many observed reasons, most of which are caused by Capitalism and/or economic disparity and bad education.  This is a proven fact.  Educated people brought up in a good environment don't commit crimes.

And I don't think it's too much to ask for the human race to be responsible for its own actions.

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And how would you make anyone do work that nobody wants to do, like construction, maintenance and assorted services without which you could not actually do anything but which requires huge labor with very little reward particularly for large projects?
Obviously initially there would be a HUGE amount of work involved, since you're basically creating an entirely new world.  However, in the end (after the project was finished) machines could do most of the construction and maintenance jobs.  Besides, why do you act like nobody wants to do these jobs?  Some people love construction, they make it their career.  For pretty much every job there are people willing to do it.

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You are forgetting the main-line of population that earth can support in equilibrium is 2 billion that's assuming everyone would have the HIGHEST current standard of living and eat like an above average American (not just a "high" standard of living)
Where are you getting these statistics?  I don't think that's true.

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So unless you have a way to get 5 billion people to go away elsewhere I don't see resource based economy ever reaching a level where its sustainable. Even if sustainable, you would be competing against entropy at the very least so your resources would always dwindle making space exploration for resource retrieval mandatory no matter what. And while you say most resources are abundant that may be true, but you forget that only 20% of the world even has access to the products of said resources. The rest is busy not to starve.
Granted population control would be a major issue, but at least it would be dealt with on a global scale.  High birth rates are, once again, a product of poverty and bad education (you starting to see a pattern?).  That's why in highly educated places like and Japan and The Netherlands they are literally having a crisis because their population isn't having children anymore.

To your comment about entropy, I'm not sure you understand how the Earth's ecosystem works.  The Earth has been supporting life for millions of years, if we preserve and protect that delicate system, it will continue to produce.

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And if you argue that we could sustain 7+ billion, yes we could, unless you want to have a planet to live on in 200 years. Because climate change won't suddenly stop, as you could never get everyone on boat, at least half the world would compete against you with capitalism and might even wage war for your resources.
Once again, I'm not sure where you're getting these numbers.  I think we can sustain 7 billion people quite easily with improved technology and global cooperation.

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Only real way for such a project like Venus to work out is an extinction event where at best 2% to 3% of the human race survives.
The way we're headed now, this kind of event is not unlikely.

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With a strong control of birth rate, resource and power consumption. I guess I am just too jaded to see how resource based economies could get over this problem. The fact is, someone who works for nothing, might be inclined to work for money to get more than you offer him for free. You can not stop greed in humans
You're thinking of Communism, and that's a completely different system. 

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Communism being similar to a resource-based economy or The Venus Project is an erroneous concept. Communism has money, banks, armies, police, prisons, charismatic personalities, social stratification, and is managed by appointed leaders. The Venus Project's aim is to surpass the need for the use of money. Police, prisons and the military would no longer be necessary when goods, services, healthcare, and education are available to all people. The Venus Project would replace politicians with a cybernated society in which all of the physical entities are managed and operated by computerized systems. The only region that the computers do not operate or manage is the surveillance of human beings. This would be completely unnecessary and considered socially offensive. A society that uses technology without human concern has no basis of survival. Communism has no blueprint or methodology to carry out their ideals and along with capitalism, fascism, and socialism, will ultimately go down in history as failed social experiments.
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Re: Do you like Diablo 3?
« Reply #215 on: June 17, 2012, 12:24:14 am »
Well, for the 2 billion that is a famous research project by Paul R. Ehrlich , and it's actually in the range of 1.5b to 2b

http://dieoff.org/page99.htm (authors recap of the study)
http://www.worldpopulationbalance.org/3_times_sustainable
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimum_population#Estimations

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Excuse me which resources aren't infinite?  The resources that we need to survive are infinite for all intents and purposes.  Food, water, wood, electricity (geothermal, tidal, etc.), rock, metal, we aren't likely to run out of these anytime soon.  Fossil fuels yes, but the idea is to get away from fossil fuels since they are so finite.

First off, everything you convert into something that can not be converted back. Most chemicals would not fit that group, most rare earths in extreme modernized production technology would. As you can no longer recycle the modern tech equipment properly in the newest and latest production technologies. How would you even begin to recycle a single consumer item with at least 600 different materials used in it? You would have to create specific extraction procedures for all 600 materials, and you would need billion times more energy than was used to create it.

Secondly, when something breaks in high technology, it can not be repaired. Or did you ever hear of someone repairing a broken GPU core or CPU core or a LCD screen?

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As I said, crimes are committed for many observed reasons, most of which are caused by Capitalism and/or economic disparity and bad education.  This is a proven fact.  Educated people brought up in a good environment don't commit crimes.

Drugs, Drug cartels, human trafficking, sex trade - unless you handily forget that neither of these crimes have their source in greed, but in a human caused demand. You may argue that the demand has to be fought, yet it is irrelevant, If I wanted I could probably think of at least a hundred crimes of all manners educated people commit, like murder out of jealousy, anger and greed. Which you can not eliminate even if you remove money and trade from the equation. That's assuming actually that you make trade of ANY KIND illegal too...

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Obviously initially there would be a HUGE amount of work involved, since you're basically creating an entirely new world.  However, in the end (after the project was finished) machines could do most of the construction and maintenance jobs.  Besides, why do you act like nobody wants to do these jobs?  Some people love construction, they make it their career.  For pretty much every job there are people willing to do it.

Because the people who love construction work are maybe 1 in 1000, the others only do it for the money. Remove money, and you have the few people who love doing it.

Second problem would be how you train jobs, you would have to assign jobs to people (as in, forcing them) if you have a worker shortage where robots can not help.

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To your comment about entropy, I'm not sure you understand how the Earth's ecosystem works.  The Earth has been supporting life for millions of years, if we preserve and protect that delicate system, it will continue to produce.

And that life hasn't reached space for millions of years, until we came. Hasn't forged, smelted and created new compounds. Hasn't mastered light and fire quite literally. You are thinking of only food, water / electricity, the only 3 resources that are in relative abundance. The others have to be mined, refined, and are rare. Given that a resource economy would need to focus on a 100% recycle rate you will be fighting natural decay of materials and products. Loss of parts and thus, loss of resources.

Maybe you have a point and that system is a good one, but you can not change the whole world. In so far as that is the requirement for this idea, it is a pipedream. The world will not change, you have to start regionally and independently to make ane example that your society would work. You obviously would have to do that on the ocean though. However, already that would require technology nobody has developed, the problem of food production would not even exist with arcologies, but you see any of those standing around? By idealists? By researchers? A lofty plan full of "if" and "eventually" does not make a good strategy for the future.

Fact is that capitalism is what drives the development to remove human workforce out of the equation of production and that is the end for capitalism, yet it is also what drives the development of robotics and super-high tech stuff, like quantum computing which is required for AGI development, which is what's required for an intelligent and adaptable robot workforce. But there is no development that makes humans change. Humans if anything, got more contempt and care even less than they did 100 years ago. Though we think about the future we can not shape it, only stupid politicians can, and they will never do that. The Venus project is a extinction event post-society study. It can not, and will not work in the current world. And changing the world is out of the scope.

If that extinction event comes, and I am still around, the Venus Project will likely succeed if it prepares properly or even causes the extinction event. Maybe we ought to not call it extinction if some survive to rebuild. But the point is that the current world has to go down the drain with a minimal destruction to the infrastructure and resources/landscape/climate. And that is even more unlikely than the Venus Project succeeding while I am alive ;)

what will likely happen is that humans just fizzle out somewhere in 300 or 500 years. Some may survive unless we blow the world up proper, and those might have a chance of a better world but that is unlikely, given that in a Armageddon scenario most technology would be lost, quite literally, given that everything is stored digitally nowadays. What will definitely happen is a REAL resource crisis in 2050 which is what will trigger a full blown economical downfall. Capitalism will not go away in 40 years. Because people live longer than that. You would need to think beyond 100 year time-span for a system change where capitalism is replaced by X. You will find VERY few people who would put money and resources in a plan that only happens 100+ years later with the goal to make said money and resources.. in todays terms, worthless ;p
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Re: Do you like Diablo 3?
« Reply #216 on: June 17, 2012, 12:09:31 pm »
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First off, everything you convert into something that can not be converted back. Most chemicals would not fit that group, most rare earths in extreme modernized production technology would. As you can no longer recycle the modern tech equipment properly in the newest and latest production technologies. How would you even begin to recycle a single consumer item with at least 600 different materials used in it? You would have to create specific extraction procedures for all 600 materials, and you would need billion times more energy than was used to create it.

Secondly, when something breaks in high technology, it can not be repaired. Or did you ever hear of someone repairing a broken GPU core or CPU core or a LCD screen?
While I agree with you in principle, my point was that the necessities we need to SURVIVE are all recyclable.  You're talking about luxuries, which are important, but not as important as giving every person on the Earth a decent quality of living in terms of food to eat, clean water to drink, and a place to live.

I would sacrifice my quality of life if it improve the quality of life of the entire world - that's a small sacrifice to make and I would expect anybody to do the same.

Secondly, even the high quality materials are finite when you consider space travel.  Back in the 60's when we were devoting all of our resources to the space race, look how much we got accomplished.  Nowadays the U.S. spends less than .1% of their income on space-related projects.  If the world spent all of its time and energy to exploring space and establishing new worlds, who knows where we could be in 100 years.  This is the problem with Capitalism - there is no profit in researching the final frontier.  Even now, the Dutch plan to send a permanent group of settlers to Mars in 2023 to live their until they die, and add more settlers every 2 years.  The resources of space are infinite, we would never run out, but all of that will just be a pipedream as long as we belong to a Capitalistic society.

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Drugs, Drug cartels, human trafficking, sex trade - unless you handily forget that neither of these crimes have their source in greed, but in a human caused demand. You may argue that the demand has to be fought, yet it is irrelevant, If I wanted I could probably think of at least a hundred crimes of all manners educated people commit, like murder out of jealousy, anger and greed.
I would attribute all of these things to bad education.  People who are drug and sex trafficking, as well as slave trading, view human beings as objects or business models.  This is absolutely caused by Capitalism.  The people who step over everyone else to become rich and famous were badly educated, and that's all there is to it. 

Find some examples of people brought up in good families and educated in The Netherlands, or other hybrid Capitalist-Socialist societies, who turn out to be murderers, drug traffickers, and rapists - good luck.

People are not born evil or seflish, they are educated and abused to that point.  Take away the negative stimulus and replace it with a positive environment and most people will turn out well.

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Because the people who love construction work are maybe 1 in 1000, the others only do it for the money. Remove money, and you have the few people who love doing it.
.1% of 7 billion people is still 7 million people.  That's plenty.

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And that life hasn't reached space for millions of years, until we came. Hasn't forged, smelted and created new compounds. Hasn't mastered light and fire quite literally. You are thinking of only food, water / electricity, the only 3 resources that are in relative abundance. The others have to be mined, refined, and are rare. Given that a resource economy would need to focus on a 100% recycle rate you will be fighting natural decay of materials and products. Loss of parts and thus, loss of resources.
Once again, most of this is nullified by space travel.

Besides, who knows what creative solutions we can come up with when we are all working together to find an answer.  1 man working in a lab came up with a food solution that has saved billions of people from starvation, he won the Nobel Peace Prize. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Borlaug

1 man working in his garage came up with a solution to end world dehydration.

http://www.ted.com/talks/view/lang/en//id/613

Imagine if we had 7 billion minds working towards the solution to these complex issues, we could have them solved within a generation.

See, this is the problem with society nowadays, everybody is so cynical.  Everybody thinks "Things will never change", "There will always be poor people", "This is the way it has to be".  But realize that your attitude is a big part of the problem.

1,000 years ago, can you imagine how someone would have responded if you said, "One day, we won't have King and Queens, all of our decisions will be made by the votes of the people".  Everybody would have laughed at you or worse.  To be so closed-minded to think that we can't come up with solutions to these problems baffles me.  Or to think that nothing will ever change for the better.

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Maybe you have a point and that system is a good one, but you can not change the whole world. In so far as that is the requirement for this idea, it is a pipedream. The world will not change, you have to start regionally and independently to make ane example that your society would work.
I'm not so sure about that.  In the age of the internet and cell phones, we have the ability to reach practically the whole world now.  Look at the Occupy Wallstreet Movement, it's already worldwide and seems to be growing in strength everyday.  You seem to have little faith in people, but I'm not convinced we can't all band together for a brighter future.

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However, already that would require technology nobody has developed, the problem of food production would not even exist with arcologies, but you see any of those standing around? By idealists? By researchers? A lofty plan full of "if" and "eventually" does not make a good strategy for the future.
Refer to my example above.  If you have 7 billion people looking for a solution, you'll find it very quickly.  The problem is that we can't find solutions, it's that there's no funding for it, because there's no profit in it.

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But there is no development that makes humans change. Humans if anything, got more contempt and care even less than they did 100 years ago. Though we think about the future we can not shape it, only stupid politicians can, and they will never do that. The Venus project is a extinction event post-society study. It can not, and will not work in the current world. And changing the world is out of the scope.
I don't think changing the world is out of the scope.  Granted, there are a lot of obstacles - Corporations, Politics, Religion, and many more - but the worse things get, the more open people are to change.  The world has changed in the past, I see no reason why it won't change again.  Humanity and life in general is always evolving.
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Re: Do you like Diablo 3?
« Reply #217 on: June 17, 2012, 03:37:46 pm »
 :o :o :o :o :o

This is anything but Diablo 3 lol.

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« Reply #218 on: June 17, 2012, 03:39:49 pm »
:o :o :o :o :o

This is anything but Diablo 3 lol.

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Re: Do you like Diablo 3?
« Reply #219 on: June 19, 2012, 06:02:24 pm »
I think I'll post my two cents about Diablo 3... I don't know how well loved it is here, but I honestly didn't really like it. I don't own it, somebody I know does, and in open defiance to the ToS, I ended up playing it on his account, after spending a lot of time watching him. Honestly, I got to act 2 on normal and just quit playing because I honestly found other action-RPGs much more fun.

First of all, I just don't like the skill system. I can't like it. I don't think character progression should exist without permanent decisionmaking. I played a mage, right? I hated the fact that all of my skills were useless or boring for the most of act 1. I had fun with maybe two skills, and only one of them did damage. Sure, I can create my FPS-like skill loadout anyway I want at any time, but I'm still just arbitrarily locked away from things. It's this weird combination of a pure action game and a pure, true action-RPG or even traditional RPG, which just doesn't work for me. I kept playing mostly waiting for myself to finally unlock something fun to use that wasn't magic missile with increased damage from a rune.

Second of all, the online-only thing is just brutal. This has partly to do with me never really getting a grasp of how to play, but the latency really kills action games for me. There are so, so many occasions where I would get hit when I was clearly not being touched by an enemy weapon or projectile, which is not fun at all. I've grown to be able to just eat hits and not really get personally irritated, I had an issue like that when I played Gauntlet games (damned archers). I just can't do that in a game like Diablo 3 where damage is nontrivial. The worst part is, I'm sure this is entirely why I had so much fun with Diamond Skin. I could finally avoid enemy attacks. As far as connection loss, well, the person I happen to use the account of lives with me. I watched him lose 5 Neph Valor stacks when his connection accidentally gets unplugged, and I have never seen the guy so frustrated in his life. This is just with him playing single-player, too. Both of us would have likely had a better experience if we could just play offline.

While I haven't experienced it, I have seen it, and I know that Inferno is ridiculous. Being particularly 'into' game design, and having some level of common sense, I understand that you simply don't make something just impossible enough that your testers can't beat it, double HP and damage on enemies, then ship it to the public. That is a horrendously ham-handed way of doing things. I've said my piece, and I'll shut up about it before I go off the rails. I expect better from Blizzard.

The point is, I just didn't like Diablo 3. I didn't find it fun beyond my first few levelups, and I'm glad nobody wasted the money so that I could play something that I wouldn't enjoy past act 2. I'm going to be spending my time with Torchlight 2, AVWW, and AI War instead.

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Re: Do you like Diablo 3?
« Reply #220 on: June 20, 2012, 11:14:03 am »
This topic...O_o
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« Reply #221 on: June 20, 2012, 05:56:43 pm »
Also of note - in Jacque Fresco's view of the Resource-Based Economy, jails and punishment don't exist, only rehabilitation.  Considering that punishment is one of the main motivators of crime, this dynamic shift in our attitudes could possibly wipe it out completely.

Apologies for probably not putting enough effort into understanding your argument before responding; sometimes I browse at work and I don't really have time here to consider a position and respond intelligently. But that line made me think of a rather interesting short essay by C.S. Lewis that takes the completely opposite view. When you do away with all idea of 'punishing criminals' and replace it with 'rehabilitating the sick' instead of finding that you've become a great and merciful humanitarian, you end up crueler than the worst tyrant.

And uh... then he killed Diablo and looted a sword. Yeah! On topic woo!

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Re: Do you like Diablo 3?
« Reply #222 on: June 21, 2012, 12:25:37 am »
One thing I will say about C.S. Lewis is that he was an outspoken Christian, so his stance was most likely tainted by that belief.  It is very common for people of any religion to try to make the world fit into their religious view, rather than realize that the world actually doesn't resemble their religion whatsoever.

The Bible makes it very clear that human beings are born in sin, evil and in need of redemption - constantly tempted by the devil and whose only salvation can come through Jesus Christ.  That we must constantly pay for the sins of our 2 original ancestors, Adam and Eve, and that only through the acceptance of ritual human sacrifice could that debt be paid.

Now if you actually believe this, which most Christians do, you can't deny that it would taint your impression of human beings.  So I'm sorry but anything C.S. Lewis says, I have to view through this light.  You can't be a Christian without accepting what the Bible says on this topic - and therefore you can't be objective about actual human behavior.

C.S. Lewis was a writer - not a psychologist, not a social worker, not a school teacher - a Christian writer.  He may have even been a good writer, but that doesn't convince me that he knows anything about human Psychology or human behavior, he's not qualified to make those kinds of distinctions.

Everything he wrote in this essay seems to reflect only his biased opinion - I see no studies or evidence to back up any of his claims.  He seems to find the idea of Humanitarian rehabilitation abhorrent for some unknown reason - but most likely because he's a Christian, and because Christianity is a religion of justice and punishment for those who will not conform.  Anybody who thinks eternal torture for finite crimes is an acceptable punishment, or supports this kind of insanity, is morally bankrupt in my opinion.  I really don't care who they are.

Dr. James Gilligan is a famous American Psychiatrist and Author, who was once Director of Harvard’s Institute of Law and Psychiatry Division, and who has studied patients in prisons for over 30 years, notes that most violence stems from guilt, punishment, and economic disparity.

Dr. Gilligan was brought in as Director of Mental Health for the Massachusetts prison system because of the high suicide and murder rates within their prisons. When he left ten years later the rates of both had dropped to nearly zero.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Gilligan

He has written many books and articles on the subject.  Violence is his most famous book, though you can read some of his other works simply by searching, or watch many of his videos online.

http://www.amazon.com/Violence-Reflections-National-James-Gilligan/dp/0679779124
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmZjm7yOHwE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMSsi4Krd5Q

Point is, I trust a proven expert over a famous Christian author, whose worldviews prevent him from seeing things clearly.


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Re: Do you like Diablo 3?
« Reply #223 on: June 21, 2012, 01:53:34 am »
Woah there. I've got a long standing rule against debating religion on the internet, because it's about as productive as breaking rocks by hand, but slightly more painful. I just linked that article because I thought it was an interesting take on the subject, and doesn't really rely on any Christian underpinning to reach its conclusion. That said, if your response to it boils down to, as I read it, 'Christians can only make Christian arguments and in my view all Christian arguments are wrong' then there's nothing I can say to defend it: forget I mentioned it. The only way through that particular blockade is pages and pages of arguing religion, for which I refer you to my first point.  ;)

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Re: Do you like Diablo 3?
« Reply #224 on: June 21, 2012, 05:27:59 am »
Everyone's worldview prevents them from "seeing things clearly", whatever that might mean. That's not even a postmodernist point. It's just obvious.

My worldview, for instance, leads me to see any outright vilification, denigration or simple dismissal of others' worldviews - capitalism, Christianity, whatever - as laughably misguided.

But as with Bob, I've no desire to get involved in a theologically-based conversation on the internet or anywhere else, frankly - they rarely end well for anyone!