Do you like Diablo 3?

[zespri]

Ok, 28 hours in, Act 3 boss (normal) is down. This fight was kind of anticlimactic. I have not even died once! It's the first act-level boss that I did not die to!

[eRe4s3r]

Set Items are even rarer in Diablo 3 and they are totally broken and worthless.. why? because they got random stats. Yes, you read that right. Set items with random stats. LMAO

That means mage set can actually end up not giving you any direct bonus relevant to mage skills or needs. Same for legendaries, rares, and every other item. This is why sometimes blue items can be better than golden ones or even legendaries. How Blizzard thought that is good design is beyond me. I guess they really want to peddle their 15% fee real money AH once it goes life. Obviously the only thing thats gonna in demand is going to be gold, which is hilariously rare in this Diablo.. I mean rare as in, it's rare to find a single good item with gold find increase, particularly when you want to craft or fuse diamonds. (and train both guys to level 10) this comes to bite you...

Also set bonus is so miniscule you are better off just finding a good golden item for your needs. Or craft it.

[zespri]

Guys, who knows, how diablo 3 handles chars of different levels in the same party?

[Hearteater]

As far as I can tell, you're just different levels.  So if you've just beat Normal and play Nightmare with your level 34, and your buddy has a level 54 that's beat Hell and joins your Nightmare game, he'll cakewalk everything while you struggle to kill stuff (the mobs are twice as hard to kill because of 2 people, and it is your first Nightmare run).  By Act II you'll be just focusing on limiting your own deaths.  In Act IV you'll be trying for a record 10 seconds of consecutive life.

[zespri]

As far as I can tell, you're just different levels.  So if you've just beat Normal and play Nightmare with your level 34, and your buddy has a level 54 that's beat Hell and joins your Nightmare game, he'll cakewalk everything while you struggle to kill stuff (the mobs are twice as hard to kill because of 2 people, and it is your first Nightmare run).  By Act II you'll be just focusing on limiting your own deaths.  In Act IV you'll be trying for a record 10 seconds of consecutive life.

Thanks, what about XP, will a low-level char get any?

[Wanderer]

If your levels are within a reasonable range (which I don't have specifics on) you'll get xp.  If you're way out of range (say, a level 1 tagging along with a level 15), they have to hit the enemy to get xp.  They'll get quest xp but really they get one-shotted a lot.  Too much for value in the powerleveling arena.

[zespri]

Thanks.

32 hours to beat the game on normal for me. Have not died to act 4 boss either.
Now I'm going to play with my friend (who is just starting out) which means I'll need to roll a new char.

[thelonecarrot]

Have been struggling with my internet for stability so I decided to hold off playing more Diablo 3 and do a little retrospect playing of Diablo 2.

Having reached Hell Difficulty in D3 before having too many problems I feel I got a fairly good idea of the game. Having played half of act I of D2 with 8X player difficulty turned on I can safely say that there alot of things that have been improved on.

My biggest issue with D2 has always been the times it devolved into a stat stick war. By essetialy removing 'attack rating' and just leaving dodge chance in the game D3 actually does feel more action based of a game. How I fight and where I position myself (I have a lvl 52 Demon Hunter) is way more important than before. There's less swinging a weapon and missing repeatedly and more emphasis on actual mobility and action.

Where D2 could feel like a real time D&D videogame at times, your stats mattering more than your inputs; D3 makes me feel that 'I' have real control over how a fight will turn out by my decisions and not the spec of my gear.

This is the most important change in feeling that I've gotten so far between the games. Gonna keep playing more D2 just to see what else I notice and because 8X player difficulty makes the game a proper challenge early on, something seriously lacking in D3 early on. They really need to add a player X difficulty option in.

Plus anyone up for multiplayer D2 let me know. A big 8 player deatthball sounds like great craic.

[zespri]

Where D2 could feel like a real time D&D videogame at times, your stats mattering more than your inputs; D3 makes me feel that 'I' have real control over how a fight will turn out by my decisions and not the spec of my gear.

To that I can answer with a quote from Blizzard

We've also seen some people saying our intention with Inferno is just one-shot you to make it difficult. While damage is a bit spikier than we'd like, we're actually seeing a pretty significant number of people attempting Inferno without sufficient gear. There's a good chance that returning to the previous Act to farm upgrades will do the most to help you survive.

Emphasis is mine.

[zebramatt]

That last quote is particularly fun on this forum, where the longest and most heated debates have surrounded ways to prevent players from having to farm and grind! Imagine if someone complained that continent 5 was too hard in Valley and Chris just turned around and said we needed to farm more!

[eRe4s3r]

Well that is not an issue because login servers in the EU are down the entire day now. Classic Blizzard support, no Information, no ETA

[KingIsaacLinksr]

Well that is not an issue because login servers in the EU are down the entire day now. Classic Blizzard support, no Information, no ETA

Had I bought this game, I think I'd be demanding a refund at this point.

King

[Hearteater]

I haven't had any issues stateside with the servers.  I did however, have one thing happy that annoyed me greatly.  I paused the game so I could eat dinner.  I was in the middle of a dungeon and didn't want to lose the progress I had.  I still had a lot of back-tracking to find the quest objective.  After I came back down, I found out it logged me out.  When I get back in, I'm at the start of the dungeon with nothing mapped, and the dungeon layout is different, so I lost all my progress.  I was gone about 30-40 minutes.

Edit: The reason I finally decide to get D3 was because I can do BattleTag friends instead of RealID friends, and for research to see how their ability system felt since my current project has some Diablo-like elements.

[Wingflier]

I haven't read anything in this thread, but I just want to say that I do not like Diablo 3.

The horrible DRM, forced online play, 4 player max, Real-money Auction-House, no death penalties (except hardcore which is ridiculous), 60 level cap, massive login errors, queue wait times just to log in, getting kicked for AFKing in your own single-player game.  The story is 7-8 hours long?

After 12 years of development this?

I'm sorry, but Blizzard has become a horrible, money-grubbing company and nobody can deny it.

I'll stick with Torchlight 2 which for $20 offers:
1. Offline play.
2. Full LAN support.
3. Full Mod support.
4. Death penalty options.
5. Can start the game on the hardest difficulty, without having to grind through it 3 times.
6. No player cap.
7. Awesome community mods (this deserves to be mentioned twice, since D3 won't even let you mod their game whatsoever).
8. Stats and skill points.
9. The first Act of Torchlight 2 is apparently as big as the entire game of Diablo 3.  The developers say the entire game will span 3 huge acts, and a 4th boss act, and will take about 40 hours to complete, and that's if you're rushing.
10. New Game+, which is like Diablo 3's Nightmare/Hell/Inferno mode, except you can restart the game infinite times for harder challenges - giving it literally infinite replay value.

So in closing, if you bought D3 you wasted your money and are supporting a company that is no longer trustworthy or commendable.  Wait for TL2, that is all.

[zebramatt]

Bit preachy, that last one.

Personally, I've held off buying Torchlight 2 because it's main selling feature was, "It's more Torchlight... but it's got multiplayer!!" - which appeals very little to me.

But I'd certainly not tell someone they wasted their money on it for that reason!