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Offline Cyborg

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Completed: Trails in the sky and pillars of eternity
« on: January 06, 2016, 03:35:01 am »
Over the last month, I finished these two games: Trails in the Sky (first chapter, 49 hours, JRPG) and Pillars of Eternity (89 hours, CRPG).  I’m not going to post any spoilers about plot line, but I do want to discuss the gameplay.

Trails in the Sky is the typical JRPG. The Orb system feels a lot like materia, and yes there are the equivalent of limit breaks. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing, as it allows you to build your characters and approach fights the way you want. The plot is on rails, which is normal fare for this genre, and I don’t have any problem with that because it is a good story. It gets slow occasionally, and it’s lighthearted in most places. As the story goes on, there are some detours into a darker tale, and sometimes there is some foul language, but overall it keeps its humor.

On the combat side, there are a lot of optional quests in each part of the story that allow you to seek out the challenge if you want it. I had fun doing the extermination missions. And the end of the story includes an optional boss that requires careful planning, good positioning, and spot on execution that really felt rewarding, even for a JRPG veteran like myself. If you like the genre, this is a solid entry. I will probably be picking up the sequel at some point.

As for Pillars of Eternity, this is a dark tale and takes itself seriously, minus the wisecracking from the party members as you travel. Clearly inspired by Planescape, there is ample opportunity for intricate storytelling and layered dialogue. However, combat is required if you are to experience the game (although there is plenty of dialogue opportunities for solving situations). This was a long story with an ending that is tailored to your choices, and I did not rush through it. I read through so many of the optional stories, optional quests, and enjoyed myself in this game world. Even in earlier parts of the game, there is challenge to be had with some of the missions, dungeons, boss fights, and multiple solutions to these problems. That’s how you know it’s a good RPG, when you feel like you can play along with the puzzle rather than feeling like you are grinding levels. And in both cases, Trails in the Sky and Pillars of Eternity are not having you grind levels. You are directly taking on the quests and stories of the games, which is an important part of the enjoyment.

Pillars of Eternity requires careful combat preparation, positioning, and getting used to having pause-able real-time combat. This is not turn-based combat. So you will have to carefully anticipate the spells of yourself and your enemy, manage summons, and use your abilities to manage combat. In many situations, you are outnumbered even though you can choose from six characters. My play style is all about summons, so I like stacking summons and using some of the movement abilities to gain a tactical advantage. For example, the teleport ability of the wizard is one of the best skills in the game, allowing you to tactically move characters around by continually swapping them. There is a cast limit on the best spells, but I never felt discouraged from using them.

I think that’s where Pillars of Eternity truly shines: when it comes to combat, there is a lot of game here. There’s a lot of choices to make and as the general in battle, it always feels like there’s some way to pull a rabbit out of a hat and somehow win the fight when it all looks grim. These are memorable gaming moments. If you do some of the optional quests, you’ll be treated to epic fights and experiences. There’s no real reason to skip any of it because the gameplay itself is enjoyable.

All in all, if you like RPG’s, you can’t go wrong with choosing either one of these titles. Just choose whether you want to turn-based or pause-able real-time combat, and enjoy the journey. I was extremely satisfied with both titles, and now I will be carefully selecting the next RPG.
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Re: Completed: Trails in the sky and pillars of eternity
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2016, 04:32:04 am »
Trails in the Sky is one of my favorite games. The storyline, setting, and characters are charming and the gameplay was solid.

The sense of progression was well-executed. Equipment was kind of meh since each character pretty much had one kind of weapon he or she could use and every new version was a straight upgrade, but unlocking new arts was always exciting. Once I got to the big, powerful attacks like Aero Storm, I felt really unstoppable. By the end I was pretty much attacking exclusively via arts, especially the powerful AOE ones, since they were just so much better in most cases. I took Estelle as a healer with mostly blue orbments and then kitted everyone else out with high damage offensive arts and wrecked face. The exception was the optional boss that you mentioned, where I transferred the healing role to Kloe and had Estelle and Schera spam Aero Storm because it's really good. Still only managed to beat him by getting lucky - after reducing his defense with Kloe's Kaempfer craft, Estelle got a critical hit with a max-CP S-Break and took almost half his health out. But yeah, as you say, it's a really fun and challenging fight that required careful tactics, mostly because of his damn confuse debuffs.

Oh, and Silver Will is one of the best video game music pieces I've ever heard. It really made the fight more intense.


I actually haven't finished it yet, the last boss is actually really tedious because it has so damn much health and that super heal for a while. If I had one complaint, it would be that fight being too bullet-spongey; it doesn't require a good strategy and execution like some earlier fights, but is rather just a war of attrition that gets a bit tiresome.
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Re: Completed: Trails in the sky and pillars of eternity
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2016, 12:39:30 pm »
I didn't get far in Pillars because I hated the combat too much.

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Re: Completed: Trails in the sky and pillars of eternity
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2016, 11:41:07 pm »
Trails in the Sky is one of my favorite games. The storyline, setting, and characters are charming and the gameplay was solid.

The sense of progression was well-executed. Equipment was kind of meh since each character pretty much had one kind of weapon he or she could use and every new version was a straight upgrade, but unlocking new arts was always exciting. Once I got to the big, powerful attacks like Aero Storm, I felt really unstoppable. By the end I was pretty much attacking exclusively via arts, especially the powerful AOE ones, since they were just so much better in most cases. I took Estelle as a healer with mostly blue orbments and then kitted everyone else out with high damage offensive arts and wrecked face. The exception was the optional boss that you mentioned, where I transferred the healing role to Kloe and had Estelle and Schera spam Aero Storm because it's really good. Still only managed to beat him by getting lucky - after reducing his defense with Kloe's Kaempfer craft, Estelle got a critical hit with a max-CP S-Break and took almost half his health out. But yeah, as you say, it's a really fun and challenging fight that required careful tactics, mostly because of his damn confuse debuffs.

Oh, and Silver Will is one of the best video game music pieces I've ever heard. It really made the fight more intense.


I actually haven't finished it yet, the last boss is actually really tedious because it has so damn much health and that super heal for a while. If I had one complaint, it would be that fight being too bullet-spongey; it doesn't require a good strategy and execution like some earlier fights, but is rather just a war of attrition that gets a bit tiresome.

Spoiler alert.

The last boss has multiple stages. You should equip proxy puppet for the instant revive with full health. One of the things I noticed is that it looks like the developers were a little worried that after that underground dungeon, or even at the Lorence fight, players were going to get stuck. So they gave you all the characters, and they put a merchant shop before each one and at the end of the game. You can buy the status effect prevention accessories as well as the proxy puppet, and that should make things a lot easier. If you want the fights to go quicker, yes you can use Kloe's Kampfer on Lorence, but it's not going to work on the final boss. Instead, you should use the Morale boost from Estelle and once you dodge the beam, the guardian will go into shutdown mode and start turning off parts. One of these modes includes a defense debuff, and that combined with the morale boost is when you pop all of your limit breaks. Do that once with the magic fest at the end, and it shouldn't take you more than 20 minutes or so per form. One more tip would be to equip the CP growth Orbs, if you have them. I gave one to my off healer. Kloe was my main healer, but you need an off healer because of the canceling missiles at the end of the game. So I chose Olivier because he has a healing craft that's fairly cheap. You could probably also choose Zane, but his is a direct target heal, and I prefer the area heal.

Oh, and if you don't have the cloak orb from the end of the sewer dungeon, getting to the end boss was probably a very long trip.
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Re: Completed: Trails in the sky and pillars of eternity
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2016, 03:12:20 am »


More Spoiler: I got to the last boss and reached its last stage. Destroyed the left and right forceps, got it to the point where two of its abilities were disabled and then lost. This happened twice and I kind of gave up. Bringing Tita was probably a mistake; her health is too low and her crafts don't help much in the battle. I was also going for the achievement for not using S-crafts, which made it harder.

If I go back and try it again I'd probably bring Kloe and Schera or Zane and Olivier, going for the Reverse Harem/Ladies' Man achievements.



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Re: Completed: Trails in the sky and pillars of eternity
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2016, 03:18:59 am »


More Spoiler: I got to the last boss and reached its last stage. Destroyed the left and right forceps, got it to the point where two of its abilities were disabled and then lost. This happened twice and I kind of gave up. Bringing Tita was probably a mistake; her health is too low and her crafts don't help much in the battle. I was also going for the achievement for not using S-crafts, which made it harder.

If I go back and try it again I'd probably bring Kloe and Schera or Zane and Olivier, going for the Reverse Harem/Ladies' Man achievements.



Spoiler:
Yes, sounds like you have the wrong party. Don't give up! The ending is worth it.
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Re: Completed: Trails in the sky and pillars of eternity
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2016, 01:42:53 pm »
I didn't get far in Pillars because I hated the combat too much.

I got to the end of PoE despite absolutely hating the combat, but those 2 expansions are total pass for me. 99% combat and lackluster writing with near zero roleplaying or emergent response to my activities... no thanks.

To be honest I can't even think of a game where the expansions soured me on the base game. But since you *need* to replay the entire game to access the expansions (who the hell thought that was a good idea???) ,  decision I can only call "absolutely insane" and since the expansion skew the level up progress making fights extremely hard (since they thought leveling enemies are so amazing.. urgh)

Basically, PoE without expansions = OK, with expansions = total mediocrity

It's like someone just hacked together expansions with no care for the base-game that was already there. WHY? And why would you put the expansion content MID-game ?
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Re: Completed: Trails in the sky and pillars of eternity
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2016, 03:44:08 pm »
hey so id like to ask if this game would run on a(pretty great but slightly old) laptop? well enough for responsive play? if so ill put this on my wish list and try it out when I'm in the mood.
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Re: Completed: Trails in the sky and pillars of eternity
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2016, 09:32:24 pm »
hey so id like to ask if this game would run on a(pretty great but slightly old) laptop? well enough for responsive play? if so ill put this on my wish list and try it out when I'm in the mood.
Trails in the Sky was originally a PSP game, I'm pretty sure your computer can handle it.  :)

Pillars of Eternity is a successor to the Infinity Engine games which were fairly lo-spec. Might need to lower some settings.

I actually have some thoughts about both these games which I'll post once I'm home.

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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2016, 10:20:24 pm »
on the topic of game running during the sale I finally bought blood money with the mind-set of I can always refund this if it runs like stop motion and was really pleased to find out that it runs like a charm.
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Re: Completed: Trails in the sky and pillars of eternity
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2016, 03:05:07 am »
I didn't get far in Pillars because I hated the combat too much.

I got to the end of PoE despite absolutely hating the combat, but those 2 expansions are total pass for me. 99% combat and lackluster writing with near zero roleplaying or emergent response to my activities... no thanks.

To be honest I can't even think of a game where the expansions soured me on the base game. But since you *need* to replay the entire game to access the expansions (who the hell thought that was a good idea???) ,  decision I can only call "absolutely insane" and since the expansion skew the level up progress making fights extremely hard (since they thought leveling enemies are so amazing.. urgh)

Basically, PoE without expansions = OK, with expansions = total mediocrity

It's like someone just hacked together expansions with no care for the base-game that was already there. WHY? And why would you put the expansion content MID-game ?

I bought it without realizing that. I wish I could get my money back on the expansion.
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Re: Completed: Trails in the sky and pillars of eternity
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2016, 03:47:50 am »

I bought it without realizing that. I wish I could get my money back on the expansion.

Maybe you will like it regardless? Who knows.. not everyone is the same after all.
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Re: Completed: Trails in the sky and pillars of eternity
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2016, 10:00:42 pm »

I bought it without realizing that. I wish I could get my money back on the expansion.

Maybe you will like it regardless? Who knows.. not everyone is the same after all.
Is there a way to turn it off in the game once you bought it, if you think it makes the game a worse game? You won't get your money back this way, but at least you will be more satisfied by the game itself...

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Re: Completed: Trails in the sky and pillars of eternity
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2016, 04:27:35 pm »

I bought it without realizing that. I wish I could get my money back on the expansion.

Maybe you will like it regardless? Who knows.. not everyone is the same after all.
Is there a way to turn it off in the game once you bought it, if you think it makes the game a worse game? You won't get your money back this way, but at least you will be more satisfied by the game itself...

Well as Backer I got expansions for free ;9

But that said, you can not disable the leveling in the expansion content (of the enemies) meaning you HAVE to play the campaign through up to level 5-9 if you want a fair challenge. Beyond that (specifically at level 18/19/20) the enemies in the expansion are absolutely insane.

But because they skewed level up progress you now end up far lower level than you should if you do NOT play the expansions. Really befuddling that, and an issue they ignored (despite it being raised countless times in beta) the end fight is fixed level, and you need to be close to 20 to beat it. Since every level changes hit chances vs enemies (they depend on level difference)

Honestly, I think these expansions damage the base game, not enhance it. Especially because the writing quality took a noticeable dive and the focus is more on combat and less on RPG. And much worse, you are forced into the Expansion content now if you want to have max level at end-boss (and thus fair chances, since end boss is 3 enemies, and you can't hit anything there if you are not within a 2 level range)
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Re: Completed: Trails in the sky and pillars of eternity
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2016, 06:45:49 pm »

I bought it without realizing that. I wish I could get my money back on the expansion.

Maybe you will like it regardless? Who knows.. not everyone is the same after all.
Is there a way to turn it off in the game once you bought it, if you think it makes the game a worse game? You won't get your money back this way, but at least you will be more satisfied by the game itself...

Well as Backer I got expansions for free ;9

But that said, you can not disable the leveling in the expansion content (of the enemies) meaning you HAVE to play the campaign through up to level 5-9 if you want a fair challenge. Beyond that (specifically at level 18/19/20) the enemies in the expansion are absolutely insane.

But because they skewed level up progress you now end up far lower level than you should if you do NOT play the expansions. Really befuddling that, and an issue they ignored (despite it being raised countless times in beta) the end fight is fixed level, and you need to be close to 20 to beat it. Since every level changes hit chances vs enemies (they depend on level difference)

Honestly, I think these expansions damage the base game, not enhance it. Especially because the writing quality took a noticeable dive and the focus is more on combat and less on RPG. And much worse, you are forced into the Expansion content now if you want to have max level at end-boss (and thus fair chances, since end boss is 3 enemies, and you can't hit anything there if you are not within a 2 level range)
that really sucks will the game be in its healthy state if I just don't get the dlc with it? I've been thinking of buying this game when I'm in the mood?.
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