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Hey guys, so you probably know that AI War was born out of my dad, my uncle, myself, and my uncle's colleague having a weekly strategy game play session, and us being frustrated at the other co-op offerings.  We had been playing Supreme Commander 1 and really enjoying that, but exhausted the AI when playing us all against the AI -- either the framerate would be trashed or we would trash the AI (usually both).

AI War started simpler but grew more complex, and the four of us were there from the start.  That said, I was still always kind of the general in the group, and they could thus focus on their own sub-empires and managing other things.  At least for my dad and uncle, that's how it was.  So playing co-op with me in AI War was less complex than it would have been playing it solo.  Together we probably put 800ish hours into AI War, and I have well over 2,000 hours into the game.  Since my son was born in 2010 I haven't had time for the weekly co-op sessions with them, and they've moved on to other titles, generally simpler ones.

Civ V was kind of a bust because of the turn-based nature being boring while waiting for my uncle with massive armies.  They really liked Star Wars Galactic Empires II (I think that was the name) back in the day, but that was a long time ago.  They've dabbled in other stuff.  Starcraft II was not a hit for very long with them, though I'm not sure why.  I think it's too rush-intensive, and they like to turtle and boom.  They are various flavors of empire-builders at heart when it comes to their playstyles.

I'm looking for a game that would be reasonably lightweight for them, but still with sturdy enough AI options to keep them busy when it's the three of them playing co-op against something else.  I've thought about Europa Universalis IV, it seems really cool to me, but it also seems like something that is pretty complex.  I'd enjoy it, and enjoy catching them up to speed on the rules, but I won't be there to do that.  My dad was remarking to me recently "why hasn't anybody just made another game like Supreme Commander?"

His birthday is coming up, and I wonder if anyone has any recommendations that you might point me in the right direction with?  There are (happily) a lot more strategy games than there used to be, and I don't have a good feel of that level of strategy game at the moment because I don't pay attention to that part of the market anymore.  Any ideas?
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Re: Any suggestions for a lightweight-ish RTS game for my dad?
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2014, 08:05:50 pm »
If they like to turtle and did fine with star wars maybe supreme commander? on easier difficulties it is quite passive. The only hurdle is learning the concept of the economy.
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Re: Any suggestions for a lightweight-ish RTS game for my dad?
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2014, 08:06:30 pm »
If they like to turtle and did fine with star wars maybe supreme commander? on easier difficulties it is quite passive. The only hurdle is learning the concept of the economy.

Yeah, that one was the main one we played.  They outgrew that one.
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Re: Any suggestions for a lightweight-ish RTS game for my dad?
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2014, 08:19:54 pm »
How about the stronghold series? Castle building, army building, and lightweight. I find it fun, myself.
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Re: Any suggestions for a lightweight-ish RTS game for my dad?
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2014, 08:58:13 pm »
There are lightweight RTS games?

I'd be interested to find out myself as well, simply out of curiosity.   I dont think I've ever seen one that qualifies as that.

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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2014, 09:02:27 pm »
There are lightweight RTS games?

I'd be interested to find out myself as well, simply out of curiosity.   I dont think I've ever seen one that qualifies as that.


A lot of them. Remember lords of the realm, kohan, stronghold series, perimeter…
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Re: Any suggestions for a lightweight-ish RTS game for my dad?
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2014, 09:03:35 pm »
oh judging. critical fail for skimming.

swgb was a mod of age of empires 2. So have you looked at regular aoe 2 with a potential mod? Or aoe 3?

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Re: Any suggestions for a lightweight-ish RTS game for my dad?
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2014, 09:17:34 pm »
Oh!  Perimeter is very good.  There are some specific maps that are kind of annoying and fiddly, but the mechanics of the game area REALLY cool.

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Re: Any suggestions for a lightweight-ish RTS game for my dad?
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2014, 09:18:45 pm »
AOE 2 HD is on sale for 6.99 at the humble store right now.  AOE 3 is 9.99.

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Re: Any suggestions for a lightweight-ish RTS game for my dad?
« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2014, 09:19:40 pm »
Hmm, no idea what any of those are.

Not that I actually do the genre much though.  Prefer turn-based.  Might look into some when I'm bored though.

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Re: Any suggestions for a lightweight-ish RTS game for my dad?
« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2014, 09:20:31 pm »
Age of Mythology HD is also available on Steam, but not on sale (just came out a few weeks ago).

Do they like Fantasy?  Warlords Battlecry 2 and 3 are available on GOG.  They might also like the Cossacks series, but make sure that has multiplayer.  Here is a bundle that features cossacks:  http://www.bundlestars.com/all-bundles/conquest-bundle/

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Re: Any suggestions for a lightweight-ish RTS game for my dad?
« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2014, 09:46:15 pm »
I think EUIV could be really good once he figures out the mechanics. Can get a tad repetitive due to historical start and all, but still easily a few hundred hours.
The AI feels pretty good, and youll figure out pretty quickly that you hate France and everything French. Also Prussian supersoldiers.

Soase:rebellion is also probably a good idea, it feels pretty simple, ignoring the giant pointless tech tree at least. Not sure about the AI, but it seems good enough.
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Re: Any suggestions for a lightweight-ish RTS game for my dad?
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2014, 10:45:26 pm »
I think EUIV could be really good once he figures out the mechanics. Can get a tad repetitive due to historical start and all, but still easily a few hundred hours.
The AI feels pretty good, and youll figure out pretty quickly that you hate France and everything French. Also Prussian supersoldiers.

Soase:rebellion is also probably a good idea, it feels pretty simple, ignoring the giant pointless tech tree at least. Not sure about the AI, but it seems good enough.


Lightweight…
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Re: Any suggestions for a lightweight-ish RTS game for my dad?
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2014, 11:01:03 pm »
I think EUIV could be really good once he figures out the mechanics. Can get a tad repetitive due to historical start and all, but still easily a few hundred hours.
The AI feels pretty good, and youll figure out pretty quickly that you hate France and everything French. Also Prussian supersoldiers.

Soase:rebellion is also probably a good idea, it feels pretty simple, ignoring the giant pointless tech tree at least. Not sure about the AI, but it seems good enough.


Lightweight…
See, the term 'lightweight' to me means more 'non-competitive', or 'can pick up and put down at nearly any point'. A game like starcraft does nto fit that bill, for example. Neither of the games I mentioned need to be particularly complicated. Soase at its core is a game about watching giant fleets of space ships explode each other. Its mechanics are pretty simple, and honestly i wouldnt say that its not 'lightweight'. Its not particularly competitive, the AI can be set to do whatever, and you can basically do whatever.

EUiv is probably only a level or so above that. On the scale of paradox games, tis easily the simplest one. Now, its standing against vicky and hearts of iron, so thats not really saying that much.. But still, it has some pretty simple, in my opinion mechanics. I would say you could figure out the mechanics in an hour or two at most, and then spend lots of time grabbing clay. I feel like it's historical context makes it seem much more difficult than it is, but honestly its a lot of getting clay by blood and iron. And then France comes along, takes the "give <playernation> a good hugging", and .. liberally applies hugs. And by hugs I mean kitchhttp://en sinks.

(seriously though, in a region like japan you have some pretty simple goals and a few clear opponents/etc, and it extends nicely towards explaining combat. And that combat is decided *before* the war declaration, not after it)
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Re: Any suggestions for a lightweight-ish RTS game for my dad?
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2014, 11:10:40 pm »
EUiv is probably only a level or so above that. On the scale of paradox games, tis easily the simplest one.


I thought that honor went to Crusader Kings 2. I think what Chris is looking for is something he doesn't have to do weekly training on, that players can pick up somewhat easily. Paradox games are traditionally lots of time on YouTube and reading the forums because their manuals are giant hot turds, and they have no demonstrated ability to write a decent tutorial. I find EUiv fairly deep with a lot of moving parts, but sure, it gets easier if you play France or something.
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