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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #120 on: September 01, 2016, 04:22:09 am »
Just wait'll Star Citizen happens.  That's going to make this look like nothing at all; that game (what little there is of it) is practically made entirely of red flags right now and nobody spots it, because they don't want to.  That's not to say it'll necessarily be genuinely bad.  It could actually be fairly good!   But will it live up to what everyone is so completely freaking sure it will?  Holy crap on a stick, no!  Not even close!  It's going to be a WAY bigger margin than this was....  even a huge dev team wont live up to what is already surrounding THAT mess. 
I'm already investing in popcorn futures.
There is no way that Star Citizen could live up to the hype, and considering how much money people have poured into it, there are going to be some very upset customers when it doesn't totally change their life.

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #121 on: September 01, 2016, 07:06:20 am »
Just wait'll Star Citizen happens.  That's going to make this look like nothing at all; that game (what little there is of it) is practically made entirely of red flags right now and nobody spots it, because they don't want to.  That's not to say it'll necessarily be genuinely bad.  It could actually be fairly good!   But will it live up to what everyone is so completely freaking sure it will?  Holy crap on a stick, no!  Not even close!  It's going to be a WAY bigger margin than this was....  even a huge dev team wont live up to what is already surrounding THAT mess. 
I'm already investing in popcorn futures.
There is no way that Star Citizen could live up to the hype, and considering how much money people have poured into it, there are going to be some very upset customers when it doesn't totally change their life.

Pretty much.

What really gets me though.... and I could rant about this bit for quite some time, longer than I've ranted about NMS.... is the batshit insane prices in their store.  Hundreds of dollars to buy a couple of virtual ships.  I just... what.  Not to mention other behavior from that developer.

Nevermind all the stuff with NMS, or any other screwball incident lately, this is always the one that just gets at me the most.   I mean, doesn't this seem even a BIT shady or weird to anyone?  But people are diving right into it!  It's one thing to pre-order a game and have it come out as something you don't like.   That happens.   But to pre-order AND then spend like 400 on it, to buy things in a game you're not even CLOSE to playing the full version of?  What?

I mean... seriously, what's with this?  I really don't understand how/why they're getting away with that.   I don't care HOW good the game actually ends up being.... this is the bit that bugs me a lot.


Also, yes, it cant even begin to live up to it's hype.  It's WAY beyond what NMS gathered.  Even if the game turns out to be pretty darn good it's STILL going to be met with an army of screaming asshats because it doesn't change the world like they think it's going to.   That game is hype personified, and it's just going to get worse. It's like some sort of hype elemental.  Which is like a fire elemental except much dumber. 

And this whole incident with NMS, or the piles of AAA games that come out crappy, NONE of that is going to teach these people to temper their expectations and research what they're spending their money on.

I just... uuuugh.  It's baffling.  I'm glad nobody I know bought into that game at this early junction, or paid that store anything.  I'd have to throw stuff at them if they did.

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #122 on: September 01, 2016, 08:17:56 am »
The Star Citizen thing never made sense to me. Just in any way, shape or form. The prices are utterly crazy, and yet people pay. It boggles my mind.
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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #123 on: September 01, 2016, 08:54:01 am »
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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #124 on: September 01, 2016, 10:20:50 am »
I just checked about Star Citizen because I've never heard about this game before and wanted to find out what you're talkign about. I saw the store. Over 300$. For one ship. I don't even...
How do you justify this? Isn't this p2w in it's worst nature?

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #125 on: September 01, 2016, 11:29:48 am »
Ya know what's REALLY sad?

This is the ONLY forum, and I really do mean the ONLY one, where I've mentioned this, and actually gotten responses like the ones you guys just gave.  That "WTF?" response.   Everywhere else?  When I bring this up, people DEFEND it.   Seriously.   And they get FANATICAL about it.  I don't mean defending it by genuine debate, or anything like that.  Even usually nice people get nasty about it.   Just think about that for a moment.  The developer is doing what you see in that store, with a game that's VERY early in development, and people are FANATICALLY DEFENDING IT.  I don't mean just defending the game itself.  I mean they'll ALSO defend the store. 

This even happens at the autism forum I go to.  Which is... not a place I'd expect that to happen.  I remember I brought it up there once, and one day later, wished I hadn't.  If I was a moderator at that forum, I would have shut that topic down.  That's how bad it got.

I mean, people get pretty nutty over games all the time... NMS is mostly "major" because of a general outcry, but lots of other games generate sheer obsession like that before release.  We can all think of tons of examples, I'm sure.  Those games that get people waiting at freaking Gamestop for a midnight release.  I still remember the Diablo 3 one (partly because I have the huge display thing down in my basement) and that was a pretty nutty experience.

But this?  This is a whole new level of weird.  I've *never* seen anything else like this.  Not ever.

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I just checked about Star Citizen because I've never heard about this game before and wanted to find out what you're talkign about. I saw the store. Over 300$. For one ship. I don't even...
How do you justify this? Isn't this p2w in it's worst nature?

You'd never heard about it?  Really?  Frankly you might be lucky then: that means you haven't had to hear any of the shrieking arguments about the game yet.  It's pretty much guaranteed that you'll hear them eventually.  The game's following is seriously HUGE, and very rabid.  And it's still a bazillion years from release.   It's just going to get worse.

But yeah, those prices.  Ridiculous, isn't it?   

I don't actually know what the developer's "justification" for that is.  I'd *love* to hear it, because it's probably the most ridiculous explanation ever, whatever it may be.  I mean, really.  Hundreds for one ship in a video game that isn't even releasing for at least another year or two.

I don't even know if this counts as p2w anymore.  This is like, in a whole other universe.  One sentence I keep repeating to people is this:  Even EA and Activision wouldn't pull THIS crap.  That should be a big, big warning sign right there.  But nobody sees it.   

I've just been non-stop baffled by this whole thing.  It's both horrifying and utterly fascinating to watch at the same time.


But the worst part will be the day of release, whenever that date happens.   All that wild hype that NMS had?  That's nothing compared to what Star Citizen's fans expect from that game. Nothing at all.  It'll be like someone set off some sort of internet nuke.  The expectations for the game are so far into the stratosphere that even if the game really is good, people are going to FLIP THE HELL OUT, because no developer in the world could get that game to do what they expect it to.


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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #126 on: September 01, 2016, 11:54:02 am »
I don't know what tehy are thinkign wqith this but this is kind of class seperation. But instead of the fancy sport car that you show off if you are rich, it is a shiny space ship.

I'm glad I never heard anything from it before, this looks like a really terrible pay to win scam. It has to be pay to win, what else should it be? You cannot except someone to pay 300 $ if the ship has the same strentgh or even worse than any other ship in the game.
If it would look somewhat special, some people pay even for that, but this thing looks not special at all.

Back when I played mabinogi, I bought one of the limited time store pets. It was a big skeleton dragon. The costs were around 17.000 nx which translates 17$ I think. I'm actually not sure anymore, it could've been less. However, that is a hefty sum for a simple pet in a video game.
Back then I was really hooked to the game and more naive, so I payed the price.

The dragon looked really cool and all but I mainly bought it because it had a special ability. Every time you summon it, it damages all nearby enemies and removes a portion of their armor. This has been proven useful many times. It wasn't actually that much worth to kill strong enemies but it was good to clear a room full of weak enemies quickly. Would I buy it again? Probably not. It was a really cool pet and I would miss it but 17$ is still too much to ask for this.
They also started to give away cool pets later for free, no dragons but other cool stuff like a demon horse.

My point is, when you are at a similiar situation for something you like, you might not think long enough about it simply because you think "I like this game, I play it a lot, so it will be worth to invest.".
I bet the buyers of this think the same, because they like the game and play it  alot they think they get what they pay for.

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #127 on: September 01, 2016, 01:07:30 pm »
Ya know what's REALLY sad?

This is the ONLY forum, and I really do mean the ONLY one, where I've mentioned this, and actually gotten responses like the ones you guys just gave.  That "WTF?" response.

I've always been WTFing over it. I have a friend who's spent like $1000+ on some of them. I had one person tell me "I should have bough X ship [cost like $1400] because today I could have sold it on eBay [for like $4000]."  And I was just like, "Whhhyyyyy do people dooooo thiiiiisssss?"

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #128 on: September 01, 2016, 01:47:36 pm »
Ya know what's REALLY sad?

This is the ONLY forum, and I really do mean the ONLY one, where I've mentioned this, and actually gotten responses like the ones you guys just gave.  That "WTF?" response.

I've always been WTFing over it. I have a friend who's spent like $1000+ on some of them. I had one person tell me "I should have bough X ship [cost like $1400] because today I could have sold it on eBay [for like $4000]."  And I was just like, "Whhhyyyyy do people dooooo thiiiiisssss?"
wait....1000 pounds? on freaking digital ships?! your friend must be bloody rich not that I'm remotely poor hell half an hour ago I spent 18 pounds on a meal and I do that pretty regularly every Thursday but that's absurd as hell.
 the developer/ers could cut and run now and they'd be rich if people are giving them absurd amounts of money like this before the game even releases.
I have to admit this is the only place I've heard of stars citizen but I think I'm going to have to satisfy my curiosity now.
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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #129 on: September 01, 2016, 03:28:48 pm »
I can't find anything over $300 at the moment, but it's no joke that there are ships that are god damn expensive.

Most expensive one I can find on the store (a bunch have no price listed). $275
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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #131 on: September 01, 2016, 07:08:38 pm »
I see $275 on that one too.

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #132 on: September 01, 2016, 07:48:17 pm »
Are you sure its dollar? Maybe you use another currency because it states here exactly the price I dictated.
The other theory would be, they change the price according to the region which I wouldn't understand at all for a MMO game. It's not like they have soemthing to ship or anything.

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #133 on: September 01, 2016, 07:52:15 pm »
It could alter the price based on region...hmm...
Nops, one of my Canadian frands says it shows $275 for him too.

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #134 on: September 01, 2016, 08:27:08 pm »
It is however based on region. Look at the bottom, you can select the country your coming from. Select Germany and you will see it.

They justify this with "taxes in your region". This is btw the first time I heard this, I never had to pay more than in the USA except in some extreme cases.
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