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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #45 on: August 16, 2016, 04:27:02 PM »
I see the problems with creatures. They appearantly made only one huge pool of body parts for any living organism, resulting in stuff like that abomination. Starbound on the other hand (which is pretty much this in 2D) has multiple pools to draw from, and similiar looking ones are in the same pool, so that randomly generated creatures don't look like a mess. I'm pretty sure you can find ridiculous looking creatures there too but the chance is smaller because they have multiple pools of limbs for generation.
Also, the way the different body parts work together seems pretty lazy. I mean, look at it, the front limbs just sling around because the developers didn't bother to animate them, they are just ragdolls.
I saw also pictures of horrible cow mutants with butterfly wings attached to them that try to carry the huge creatures across the plains. Looks pretty horrifying, like something from a low budget horror movie. This also has the same case of lazy ragdoll limbs. Just because they don't use them for movement does not mean that you can skip the entire animation process. What happens when these animals land? do tehy simply fall on the ground and roll around because their legs are useless?

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #46 on: August 16, 2016, 07:07:19 PM »
Just got linked this

https://twitter.com/britbongreturns/status/765190830894317568

I'm hoping people weren't seriously expecting the game to be 200 hours of the E3 trailer. Still, that video made me laugh pretty hard.

Oh god, I don't think anyone ever expects 200 hours of the one video, but we do expect a reasonable comparison.

Its the Aerial Ace Cool Cam all over again.

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #47 on: August 16, 2016, 08:26:07 PM »
Just got linked this

https://twitter.com/britbongreturns/status/765190830894317568
That was pretty flipping spot on.

Ah, that, though, is the player's problem, to be honest (that being said, there are plenty of areas similar to that in the trailer; I think people were expecting CONSTANT "dinosaurs in the grass" though, from a freaking PROCEDURAL game.... good grief).

Seriously, people should know better than to trust E3 videos, or trailers, or anything of that nature.  I don't even watch trailers.  This is why.   And this is something I keep repeating over the last couple days.  And every time I say "it's a good idea to IGNORE trailers" people look at me like I'm telling them that it's a good idea not to breathe or have a face.  That's how far these companies have managed to bring this sort of thing now.  Like people cant even comprehend buying or checking out games without these overblown advertisements that *never* are proper approximations of what it will be.   Remember Watch Dogs?  Yeah.

I've run into lush planets as I said, and I have run into things that actually look like dinosaurs (as opposed to.... whatever the heck that is).   But that trailer?  Just like with every other trailer ever, nobody should have believed that the game as a whole was going to be like that.  I guarantee you that bit in there was not random, that was set up by the devs.   Animals in the game don't typically appear in huge multiple blobs right on top of one another (which is what's happening in that trailer), as it kills the player's need to explore the planet to find those animals.   Among other issues I spot in there.

This kind of crap is a huge part of all of this, really.  I went into this game having not followed any hype, and I got exactly what I wanted out of it.  It's a good game by my standards, same as I've been saying.   Lots of OTHERS, though, run around bashing it without even playing it (and sometimes while only having watched confused people playing it for the first time on freaking Twitch, as friends of mine did... sigh), because they watched what the Internet Hype Train did.  And then they wonder what went wrong.  I'd facepalm here, but if I did it hard enough to do this justice, the shockwave would blow out a wall.

And this series of events will repeat itself, over... and over.... and over.... I can tell ya which game will be next, which is Star Citizen.   And that one is going to make THIS debacle look like nothing at all.   I'll be totally honest, I'm kinda looking forward to that, because I'm unpleasant that way.  I'll be bringing popcorn.  Lots of it. 



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To me, NMS seems like an amalgamation of Elite: Dangerous, Terraria and EVE Online with all the work, grind and annoyances and none of the fun.

That's pretty much how I've always thought of.... Well, EVE Online, to be honest.  Not the other two.

Every now and then someone I know will point out that they love that game.

Every single time I ask them to explain why.

Every single time I go away from it understanding less than before about the appeal, and also with an urge to hit them with a chair.  That game seems like Disgaea's grinding, except literally made into an entire game.  Hell, people pull up videos on other screens to watch while they "play" it, like, during the travel sequences.   I just....  it.... ugh.   I don't understand that one.  Never will.  That the game is even still around utterly baffles me.  Usually with a lot of games I can say "Yeah, I don't like this one, but I guess I can see why others do".  That one's the exception.
EVE is 95% politics and about 5% "make your own empire". That's what's fun about EVE to me. PvP is rather exhilarating too when it's small scale. The huge fleet battles are impressive, but pretty bland to be a part of. It's the politics leading up to the battles that is awesome. Right now though I'm just trading (which is PvP in and of itself) and building ships. Because the crafting system in EVE is actually fun compared to most.


...And that's what I mean with this game, to be honest.  All that did was leave me with MORE questions (alot more) about "And this is fun.... how, exactly?".   Hell, "Politics" is just something generated by the players.   So... the game is fun, 95% because of something the game itself does not even generate?  What?  I mean, seriously, politics, however you use that word, has nothing to do with actual gameplay.  Nothing.  It's all communication between players.  It could be done in a billion different settings, like on a damn forum.   Considering how little fun intra-forum politics is (not fun at all, fortunately we don't have that sort of thing here), that just makes this that much more confusing.

Like I said, I'll never understand that game, any more than I understand actual politics (which is to say, not at all; always looks like a bunch of abnormally boring old guys arguing with each other without actually doing anything).  I'm still going with "Disgaea, but they made the grinding into spaceships and it takes much longer".



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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #48 on: August 17, 2016, 10:33:58 AM »
Let's just be honest about this game. Misery, I think you are giving this game more justice than it deserves. On the other side, I'm also positivly sure that this game becomes mor injustice from the press/critcs than it deserves. The game is, again, a victim of its hype. The fans inflated it so much, everyone excepted it to be THE survival game of the year. Now that it's out people have to face what it really is and probably always was. Some try to pretend it still very much is this what they wanted and write hate letters to everyone who says somethign different (you can google this up, the internet is full of this). The other side notices that it isn't what they wanted and go in the opposite direction and pretend the game is a piece of crap despite being maybe still an enjoyable game (I don't have it, so I won't side with anyone on this topic).

Now, my opinion on this is, it looks (from gameplay videos) actually quite good and enjoyable. However, not at the price tag of 60$. That's too much for the value of what you get at the moment. 30$ seems to me more correctly but I'm pretty sure you pay for the hype/fame of the game too. Plus, you can get Starbound for 15$ which is exactly this game. But in 2D. And without the need to directly drive your ship (which does not seem to be fun or useful in any way).

I think the extra space flying aspect is what kills the game for me. I have already every single X game (except Reborn which got tons of negative critics when it came out) and that sufficient enough. i don't need a survival or exploration agme that has this tied on just for the little extra aspect. If I want space exploration, I play X (which is and always will be the better experience) and if I want planet exploration I play Starbound or some other game I already have. I still have GRAV which is pretty much the same but came out a lot earlier. I also have Starforge but that thing is a horrible abomination. Both games are not great, Starforge isn't even in a good state, so I'm not putting my faith in a third one, especially if it costs 60$.

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #49 on: August 17, 2016, 10:42:45 AM »
That's the thing, Misery. EVE, the entire POINT of the entire game, is to be player driven. The developers simply give us a playground to be inside and do shit in. The rest is up to us. If you don't like that, it's fine. But there's apparently a lot of people that do, as EVE is the single one MMO that has a consistent growth from it's beginning and is still going. (Aside from the ragequitfest people had over Incarna)
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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #50 on: August 17, 2016, 02:35:37 PM »
I played EVE for one week, roughly.  Started on Sunday, played a few hours each day after that.  Mined in highsec, building up cash to buy some PLEX, earn a nestegg to get some expendable exploration stuff, you know - newb stuff.  Then came the weekend; killed three times in less than two days.  Why?  Because ganking newbie highsec miners is a hobby of half the people in the game, it seems.
So, yeah, EVE is all about the people - and what they do in a world with no rules and no real consequences.  Fascinating economic and social study material, fun to watch, but no way in heck will I ever touch it again.

Disappointed for No Man's Sky, though.  The E3 trailers were expected to be spiced up a bit, but not that much.  I hope it can grow and get some real content, because it sounds like a wonderful idea, if someone can do it right.

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #51 on: August 17, 2016, 03:13:57 PM »
killed three times in less than two days.  Why?  Because ganking newbie highsec miners is a hobby of half the people in the game, it seems.
And that, right there, is why I make my living in a backwater low sec system. Less douchebags around, less competition for raw materials, and if someone's in local, you KNOW they're out to get you.
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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #52 on: August 17, 2016, 07:38:44 PM »
Let's just be honest about this game. Misery, I think you are giving this game more justice than it deserves. On the other side, I'm also positivly sure that this game becomes mor injustice from the press/critcs than it deserves. The game is, again, a victim of its hype. The fans inflated it so much, everyone excepted it to be THE survival game of the year. Now that it's out people have to face what it really is and probably always was. Some try to pretend it still very much is this what they wanted and write hate letters to everyone who says somethign different (you can google this up, the internet is full of this). The other side notices that it isn't what they wanted and go in the opposite direction and pretend the game is a piece of crap despite being maybe still an enjoyable game (I don't have it, so I won't side with anyone on this topic).

Now, my opinion on this is, it looks (from gameplay videos) actually quite good and enjoyable. However, not at the price tag of 60$. That's too much for the value of what you get at the moment. 30$ seems to me more correctly but I'm pretty sure you pay for the hype/fame of the game too. Plus, you can get Starbound for 15$ which is exactly this game. But in 2D. And without the need to directly drive your ship (which does not seem to be fun or useful in any way).

I think the extra space flying aspect is what kills the game for me. I have already every single X game (except Reborn which got tons of negative critics when it came out) and that sufficient enough. i don't need a survival or exploration agme that has this tied on just for the little extra aspect. If I want space exploration, I play X (which is and always will be the better experience) and if I want planet exploration I play Starbound or some other game I already have. I still have GRAV which is pretty much the same but came out a lot earlier. I also have Starforge but that thing is a horrible abomination. Both games are not great, Starforge isn't even in a good state, so I'm not putting my faith in a third one, especially if it costs 60$.


To be honest I think they put the space stuff into this basically "because the game takes place in space".   This may not be much of a reason, but I think I can understand it to a degree.   Though it seems more preference-based than anything.   I've seen complaints the other way around for, say, Starbound, along the lines of "why do I even have a ship if all it does is teleport me?  It doesn't do anything else".    Which I can understand, it does seem more than a little odd to have a ship that really is just a glorified flying transporter room from Star Trek. 

Though, at the same time, for NMS, the game's scale as the planets go absolutely would not work without the ships.  It just takes WAY too long to cross some distances.  You could look at a far off waypoint (usually one given to you by completing some string of events) and it might tell you that you could get there on foot.... if you sprint for 16 hours.   You need your ship for that.   

To be honest even Starbound occaisionally gives me this frustration.  In NMS, I can use the ship to cross distances quickly (while spotting other points of interest as I do so) so long as I'm willing to use the fuel from the launch boosters.  But in Starbound, well.....  a long walk is ALWAYS a long walk.  Unless you want to build yet another waypoint flag (I hate doing this, I end up with like 20000 damn waypoints) you get to make the same long damn walk every.... freaking.... time.... if there's a certain spot you need/want to go to on the planet, even if your ship is right above you.   Surface exploration is one thing, but having to cross half the planet on foot like 7 damn times in a row for a string of quests is.... irritating.     There honestly aren't that many things that annoy me with Starbound, but that's one of the few things that'll do it.


Anyway, the "just play Starbound instead" argument has been made more than a few times on the Net.  It's one I can understand, sure.   But I facepalm every time someone does it, not because they made the argument, but because in most places the same answer ALWAYS pops up:  "but it's 2D.  Why would I want to play some stupid 2D game?".   And I cant hit them with anything, why is this?   Ugh. 

Though one good argument is that the game IS a platformer at heart.  One way or another it does play very, very differently from NMS.



Now, as for Starforge.... I prefer to just pretend that game doesn't exist.   ....because it pretty much doesn't.   I know bad things happen during development and such, but that's the one game, and the ONLY one, I genuinely consider to be a scam.  Like, an actual scam.   I doubt I need to explain why.


That's the thing, Misery. EVE, the entire POINT of the entire game, is to be player driven. The developers simply give us a playground to be inside and do shit in. The rest is up to us. If you don't like that, it's fine. But there's apparently a lot of people that do, as EVE is the single one MMO that has a consistent growth from it's beginning and is still going. (Aside from the ragequitfest people had over Incarna)

Hm, I think this is just one of those I'll never get, really.   No matter how I look at it, I never see anything in there that could be described as "fun". I see lots that would qualify as anti-fun, but not the other way around.  But then, I have zero understanding of social.... anything.  Doesn't matter what it is, if it's "social", I don't do it.  This forum and the two others I go to are literally as social as I get.  So this is basically hieroglyphics as written backwards by drunken aliens from some other galaxy. 

Not that I play MMOs much these days ANYWAY.  Not after WoW corrupted the genre (most of it anyway).  Feh, that's a whole other rant.    I wonder if Everquest Next will ever actually come out.  And if it'll suck or not.  Not getting my hopes up too much.

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2016, 08:10:13 PM »
Found this on reddit frontpage

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #54 on: August 17, 2016, 09:16:28 PM »
"Poorly designed" and "Shallow" are by definition what this game is ;)
Disappointed for No Man's Sky, though.  The E3 trailers were expected to be spiced up a bit, but not that much.  I hope it can grow and get some real content, because it sounds like a wonderful idea, if someone can do it right.

E3 trailers / gameplay trailers are nearly always smoke and mirrors, scripted and cut up the whaazoooo, never telling nor showing the game as it actually plays.

NMS is probably not even a bad game for what it is, a small exploration survival game. On the border of proof-of-concept. But due to hype, and media misinterpretation, everyone somehow assumed there was much more to it than there actually was. And Sony was really smart pricing it at 67$ -> 722,501 owners. I doubt any indy game not financed by a publisher ever made that much money for a big publisher. Sony played the hype train and that dev team to perfection. And that includes the lies about MP, which later in the interviews were just vague non-committal replies to clear questions. I am pretty sure at no point did the devs say "You can interact with other players directly" but the problem was many people assumed this was to be in the game. And no doubt it was, in the earliest small scale prototype NMS.....

Ps.: Also it bothers me that all the animals in NMS are naked, no fur, no feathers... some modesty for the animal abominations please
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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #55 on: August 18, 2016, 12:26:05 AM »
"Poorly designed" and "Shallow" are by definition what this game is ;)
Disappointed for No Man's Sky, though.  The E3 trailers were expected to be spiced up a bit, but not that much.  I hope it can grow and get some real content, because it sounds like a wonderful idea, if someone can do it right.

E3 trailers / gameplay trailers are nearly always smoke and mirrors, scripted and cut up the whaazoooo, never telling nor showing the game as it actually plays.

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #56 on: August 18, 2016, 04:01:21 AM »
E3 trailers / gameplay trailers are nearly always smoke and mirrors, scripted and cut up the whaazoooo, never telling nor showing the game as it actually plays.


I just wanted to say I absolutely agree with this.  E3 trailers ALWAYS do this.  Frankly, I think it's often pretty detrimental to the game in question (whatever it is).  I never find these impressive, they usually just anger me.

One huge problem with stuff like this is that you have to advertise, and advertising focuses always on showing the GOOD parts of your product, while not showing the bad parts.  In the case of NMS, they showed off a lush planet.  The game has lush planets, I've been to a few at this point.  They're pretty fun.   BUT, the game also has vast desert wastelands.  Odd as it may sound, some of us actually like desert wastelands (even IRL, I like desert regions a lot.  I'm so tired of trees and grass, really.  Sand and rock is a very welcome change).   But that's not impressive to most players.   So they're not going to show what is still an important part of gameplay.  And they do this for every single aspect of the game.  Those big fleet battles?  Yes, those happen.  Been through 2 of them.   Note that when they show you that in the trailers, they ONLY show you the most "glorious" part, the initial drop into that solar system, where suddenly you've got lots of ships all in view at the same time, all firing lasers.  Needless to say, much of a battle like that (in any game) wont involve having the whole damn fleet in view all the time.  You can apply this to games like, say, Mount & Blade, too.  With that game, you've got big impressive, exciting battles between two small armies, with stuff flying everywhere, and the player diving into the melee, lancing foes from atop his horse as he goes.   But everyone that's played that game knows full well of those moments where you're off on the sidelines, chasing one stupid jerk, and throwing ineffective axes at him, or something like that.   It's a part of the gameplay, but they'd NEVER show that sort of thing in a trailer.  Never.   Because of this, you never get a true view of what the game is really like.   And that leads to crap like the current fiasco. 

Just.... ugh.  I know that advertising is important, very important, but sometimes the way companies go about doing it is just so bloody irritating.  Watching people buy into every tiny bit of it is even more irritating.

I'll stop there before this becomes a total rant.

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #57 on: August 18, 2016, 06:01:47 AM »
Hm, I think this is just one of those I'll never get, really.   No matter how I look at it, I never see anything in there that could be described as "fun". I see lots that would qualify as anti-fun, but not the other way around.  But then, I have zero understanding of social.... anything.  Doesn't matter what it is, if it's "social", I don't do it.  This forum and the two others I go to are literally as social as I get.  So this is basically hieroglyphics as written backwards by drunken aliens from some other galaxy. 

Not that I play MMOs much these days ANYWAY.  Not after WoW corrupted the genre (most of it anyway).  Feh, that's a whole other rant.    I wonder if Everquest Next will ever actually come out.  And if it'll suck or not.  Not getting my hopes up too much.
Which is fine. There is also a reason EVE Online is, and remains, the smallest MMO out there if you look at playerbase. Sure it may be growing, but it's tiny. It's a very very niche title that appeals to a very niche kind of people. If you're not one of them, so what? ^^
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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #58 on: August 18, 2016, 07:35:40 AM »
Hm, I think this is just one of those I'll never get, really.   No matter how I look at it, I never see anything in there that could be described as "fun". I see lots that would qualify as anti-fun, but not the other way around.  But then, I have zero understanding of social.... anything.  Doesn't matter what it is, if it's "social", I don't do it.  This forum and the two others I go to are literally as social as I get.  So this is basically hieroglyphics as written backwards by drunken aliens from some other galaxy. 

Not that I play MMOs much these days ANYWAY.  Not after WoW corrupted the genre (most of it anyway).  Feh, that's a whole other rant.    I wonder if Everquest Next will ever actually come out.  And if it'll suck or not.  Not getting my hopes up too much.
Which is fine. There is also a reason EVE Online is, and remains, the smallest MMO out there if you look at playerbase. Sure it may be growing, but it's tiny. It's a very very niche title that appeals to a very niche kind of people. If you're not one of them, so what? ^^

Wont stop me from complaining though, no sir.

If I'm not complaining, I'm probably asleep.  Or exceedingly caffeinated. 


I could definitely list a few for NMS here for that matter, regardless of how much I like it.  Just aint done that so much yet.

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Re: After all this time, No Man's Sky finally releases....
« Reply #59 on: August 18, 2016, 10:32:18 AM »
Well, NMS for me is the ultimate sleeping pill. It literally has nothing  that appeals to me. There are concepts in there that could be great, but the absolutely awful implementation, shitty UI and bland and repetitive nature of the gameplay is just a massive nope to me. There is no way in hell I'll spend money on that. I could get medicine that'd put me to sleep better and cheaper than NMS.
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