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Title: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: cupogoodness on October 08, 2013, 12:58:18 PM
Originally posted: http://arcengames.blogspot.com/2013/10/bionic-dues-now-available-on-steam.html

Bionic Dues Launches for PC, Mac and Linux
25% off sale to celebrate launch week


Arcen Games is ecstatic to announce Bionic Dues -- our mech-enriched roguelite -- has launched on Steam and the Arcen Store for $9.99. To celebrate the release, the game carries a 25% discount during its first week on sale.

Robot rebellions should be quelled by the best of the best. When the best of the best are killed... it's up to you. Subdue the uprising in time, or your corporate overlords nuke the city.

Bionic Dues is a tactical, turn-based roguelite with mech customization. Guide multiple classes of Exos through a variety of missions filled with enemy robots that are as buggy as they are angry. This is at least as bad as it sounds. Explore for loot, destroy key robotic facilities, and brace yourself for the final attack by your enemies... just as soon as they can pull it together.

“Top game moment: Realising a momentary oversight has condemned you to almost certain doom, but then, with only a perfect set of well-thought long-contemplated moves, you pull everything out the bag, blow the rig, and get the hell out of dodge to receive a hard-earned mission successful.”8.5/10 – Richard Nolan, Strategy Informer

“Bionic Dues delivers tough decisions, sweeping tactics and enormous mech battles; packing massive replayability and unpredictability into its budget price point. A 'Rogue-lite' to remember and to savour through numerous scorched-earth defeats and hard-won victories.”8/10, Editor's Choice – Jonathan Lester, Dealspwn

Bionic Dues is available now on PC, Mac, and Linux. Follow the game on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, and IndieDB for post-release updates and other announcements. Review copies and launch assets available upon request.

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Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Mick on October 08, 2013, 01:02:48 PM
Congrats on release!
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: x4000 on October 08, 2013, 01:06:08 PM
Thank you!  We're super stoked. :)
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Pepisolo on October 08, 2013, 01:10:16 PM
Particularly nice job on this one. Really good game. I'll probably spend a lot of time on the steam top sellers page hoping to see this doing well. I hope it tops the Linux charts, too. Fingers crossed, anyway.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: goodgimp on October 08, 2013, 01:12:56 PM
Alright, I said I wasn't going to buy it without multiplayer but I like you guys too much so I just clicked the buy button on Steam. Maybe the coop thing will get sorted at some point down the road and I'll be able to play it. :D
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: x4000 on October 08, 2013, 01:14:06 PM
Particularly nice job on this one. Really good game. I'll probably spend a lot of time on the steam top sellers page hoping to see this doing well. I hope it tops the Linux charts, too. Fingers crossed, anyway.

Fingers crossed for us, too!  Bear in mind it takes 24 hours for the top sellers charts to really be fully accurate -- they average the past 24 hours of data, so unless a game does better in (say) 2 hours than another game did in 24, it won't beat the other game out.

Alright, I said I wasn't going to buy it without multiplayer but I like you guys too much so I just clicked the buy button on Steam. Maybe the coop thing will get sorted at some point down the road and I'll be able to play it. :D

Goodness!  I honestly don't know if the multiplayer will ever be sorted, as you know; but I really appreciate your very generous patronage!
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Greywolf22 on October 08, 2013, 01:20:24 PM
Fantastic game and wonderful news.

I'll be sure to let all my friends know that it's now available.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Vinraith on October 08, 2013, 01:22:03 PM
The Arcen store page seems to imply that this game is Steam-only. Is that correct?
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: nas1m on October 08, 2013, 01:23:52 PM
Congrats! Another job well done :D!
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: x4000 on October 08, 2013, 01:24:26 PM
Yep, it's steam only.  We have no other way at present of updating a linux title, and this was simplest all around.  It remains DRM-free, however, so you can take the files steam gives you and copy them wherever you wish.  And if steam went belly-up (magically) or locked out your account or whatever, they could not take the game files nor disable them.  It's distributed by steam, and updated by steam, but does not require steam to run and does not include any DRM (not even license keys).
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: goodgimp on October 08, 2013, 01:24:35 PM
Quote from: x4000
Goodness!  I honestly don't know if the multiplayer will ever be sorted, as you know; but I really appreciate your very generous patronage!

This is how I see it. You and the rest of Arcen pour blood, sweat, and tears for months and years into making these games. Some of your games I like more than others (duh, don't know how it'd be possible to like everything equally :P) but the thing that is consistent is they're all interesting and something new, two things that I found were desperately lacking in the industry for years until the indie resurgence, of which I view Arcen being part of. It was honestly getting quite depressing there for a while.

So all that being said, the game is on sale for $7.50. My lunch yesterday cost less than that. Putting it into that perspective, it's the very least I can do to show my support for what you guys are doing. Even if coop doesn't ever get implemented then at least that $7.50 contributes to the next project which hopefully will.

Best of luck with the release!
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: x4000 on October 08, 2013, 01:47:58 PM
I really really appreciate it. :)
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Castruccio on October 08, 2013, 01:52:32 PM
Congrats guys.  I purposefully stayed away from any sort of alpha on this so as to see 1.0 with fresh eyes.  Looking forward to getting into it later this weekend.  Glad to see you sticking to your strategy roots but innovating a little bit within the strategy genre.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: getter77 on October 08, 2013, 01:55:31 PM
Congrats indeed Arcen team!   8)

Once the initial rush settles a bit, do remember to get a proper page and your listing going over on RogueBasin so as to be counted among the classics and maverick projects alike as well as updates to come:

http://roguebasin.roguelikedevelopment.org/index.php?title=Main_Page
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Kahuna on October 08, 2013, 02:59:26 PM
No demo?
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Vyndicu on October 08, 2013, 03:01:25 PM
No demo?

Just wait for Let's play videos.   ;D
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: x4000 on October 08, 2013, 03:08:19 PM
There are a ton of LPs, yes. We may well do a demo, but goodness there are dozens of LPs so I'm not sure it is needed.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: brianc on October 08, 2013, 03:30:48 PM
Just wanted to say thanks for another awesome game!  I wasn't sure how I'd feel about this one after seeing the screens and reading up on it but as a big Arcen fan I bought it today right after work and the game-play is smart and a ton of fun.  Thanks for all the hard work!
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: x4000 on October 08, 2013, 03:34:08 PM
Thank you very much!
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: chemical_art on October 08, 2013, 03:39:03 PM
For the record, some players such as myself dont enjoy LPs. Without a demo i have nlthing aisde actual reviews. and even then, i may still pass if it is a genre i dont like since i cant tell if this is really different / more enjoyable then games of a similar genre.

Would it be difficult to make a demo where you cant advance past day 5?
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: x4000 on October 08, 2013, 03:46:35 PM
Not too bad, no. Although a real pain for non-windows machines in particular, because of the need to set execute bits.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Huw on October 08, 2013, 03:48:16 PM
Hi Chris, it's been far too long as usual.  Congratulations on the release, the game looks splendid!  Just bought my copy from your store in the hope you get a better cut that way.  Can't wait to play! \o/
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Tridus on October 08, 2013, 05:05:04 PM
Congratulations on the release! :)
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: keith.lamothe on October 08, 2013, 05:16:15 PM
Thanks everyone :)
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Huw on October 08, 2013, 05:24:17 PM
I'm really enjoying this so far.  It absolutely stinks of Arcen Games!

(That's a good thing)

There's plenty to like and I won't go into detail for now, but one thing I hope you guys can improve is the weapon effects - they could do with being beefed up a bit.  But as with all of your games, I think I'm going to get an insane amount of replayability out of this one. :)
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Tridus on October 08, 2013, 05:59:06 PM
I'm really enjoying this so far.  It absolutely stinks of Arcen Games!

(That's a good thing)

There's plenty to like and I won't go into detail for now, but one thing I hope you guys can improve is the weapon effects - they could do with being beefed up a bit.  But as with all of your games, I think I'm going to get an insane amount of replayability out of this one. :)

Throw some AoE boosters on the plasma cannon. It'll look nice and beefed up. :D
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Vinraith on October 08, 2013, 06:08:33 PM
Yep, it's steam only.  We have no other way at present of updating a linux title, and this was simplest all around.  It remains DRM-free, however, so you can take the files steam gives you and copy them wherever you wish.  And if steam went belly-up (magically) or locked out your account or whatever, they could not take the game files nor disable them.  It's distributed by steam, and updated by steam, but does not require steam to run and does not include any DRM (not even license keys).

I suppose I can understand that, and you've obviously gone to some trouble to ensure it isn't a practical obstacle. I'm deeply uncomfortable, however, with the current trend of the entire industry being channeled through a single store front.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Huw on October 08, 2013, 06:15:02 PM
Yeah it bothers me too; even Paradox do it, which seems bizarre for a medium-sized publisher.  I can see why it's good from a developer's point of view, but it certainly isn't good for the customer.  Not in my opinion, anyway.

As an aside, this forum is behaving rather strangely; it's recording an incorrect IP address and I'm unable to quote posts.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: x4000 on October 08, 2013, 06:15:57 PM
I understand what you mean, but there's not much I can do. And as far as partners go, they are awesome ones, I do have to say.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Vinraith on October 08, 2013, 06:23:44 PM
I understand what you mean, but there's not much I can do. And as far as partners go, they are awesome ones, I do have to say.

Yeah, there doesn't seem to be much anyone can do, and that's exactly what scares the hell out of me.

Thanks for the responses Chris, I hope this one's a winner for you.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Tridus on October 08, 2013, 06:44:18 PM
I understand what you mean, but there's not much I can do. And as far as partners go, they are awesome ones, I do have to say.

Yeah, there doesn't seem to be much anyone can do, and that's exactly what scares the hell out of me.

Thanks for the responses Chris, I hope this one's a winner for you.

There's pleanty people can do. Someone could create a viable competitor in terms of what Steam offers to developers/publishers, and people could buy games from there.

The reason why it's not happening is because people want games on Steam, by and large. If you look at a game like Race The Sun, they lost a ton of business because people were willing to buy the game until they heard "It's not on Steam." That ended the conversation.

The PC is different from other platforms in that the store isn't locked in. You can buy from other stores. Steam is just the best one around.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Teal_Blue on October 08, 2013, 06:58:47 PM
Congratulations on the launch!!  Hope it's a bestseller!!   :)

Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: GrimerX on October 08, 2013, 07:10:53 PM
Congrats :-)
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: goodgimp on October 08, 2013, 07:14:22 PM
There's pleanty people can do. Someone could create a viable competitor in terms of what Steam offers to developers/publishers, and people could buy games from there.

Steam has bludgeoned every competitor bloody. It's not that no one is trying, it's that Valve is awesome at what they do.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Misery on October 08, 2013, 07:44:35 PM
Aha, finally, it's out.   Congrats on the release!

Now you can once again sit back and watch as the Steam forums for the game has an extended questionsplosion over the next couple weeks.  Always entertains me with new releases on Steam in general.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Cyborg on October 08, 2013, 07:49:13 PM
Congratulations!
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: x4000 on October 08, 2013, 08:14:14 PM
Thanks for the congrats!  Honestly this is a really disappointing launch so far, even though we got up to #29 on the top steam sellers list so far (right now are back down to #41, but we fluctuate).  It's at somewhere around 50% as good as Skyward's launch was, which is inexplicable to me.  And honestly I was really hoping this would do much better than Skyward, as it really seems like it should.  And that would give us more breathing room financially.

Right now I think this is maybe our 4th best launch?  Something like that?  Behind AI War, Skyward, and Valley 1.  Honestly I was hoping for something more like Valley 1, which is by far our best launch.  It wasn't like I was shooting for the moon in expectations, but I didn't think that hoping for a repeat of Valley 1's success level on launch was too unrealistic; this game is a much more exciting and mass-appealing one, I think.  And the praise from players and youtubers and early reviewers has been really solid.

So I'm not sure what is up, really.  Hopefully things pick up over the week, but if they do that will be a first in our experience.  If not, we may wind up struggling all winter long, and possibly shedding some staff early next year.  Which really sucks, this game is so good.  Sometimes I just don't understand how this industry works; I feel like this is Arcen's best work ever, with the possible exception of AI War.

Any help folks can do to spread the word is extremely welcome.  AI War and Valley 1 had the power of word of mouth behind them, and Valley 1 was also featured pretty prominently on the front page of Steam for a time (so was Skyward).  Bionic has no Steam featuring at all so far, and lower word of mouth though much higher youtuber showings.  Given the lack of Steam featuring, the fact that this is at #4 on our list of launches is actually really impressive if you think about it.  But still, I worry if we don't get traction out of the gate, if we will be able to pick up the needed traction over time.  There's no reason that should not be possible, but except for AI War to some extent, we've never seen it (and that was a different era).

So... yeah.  This has been a pretty crushing day for me.  There's every chance this will turn around soon, as some major players in the press are telling us they will have stuff out super soon and they seem excited about the game.  But word of mouth has always trumped the press in our experience, to a super surprising degree.  And featuring on steam trumps everything.  I'm still hoping they will feature us, fingers crossed, as that would solve a lot of this, possibly all of this, right there.  And maybe the press will come through and save the day; god knows Erik has been busting his butt, and the press seems to really like it.  But... every bit helps, and any word-spreading you can do is appreciated.  I really hate having to ask for that sort of thing, but once again I find myself in that position.

Thanks for listening, I hate to rant on what should be such a happy day.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Castruccio on October 08, 2013, 08:27:18 PM
Why the decision to launch this title at $9.99 ($7.49 on sale) and Skyward at $4.99?  Might that have made a difference in launch day sales for both titles?  Bionic is clearly worth more than $4.99 but with a new IP you sometimes have to convince people of that.  Dungeons of Dredmor, a Rouge-like that did very well on Steam at launch, was released at $4.99.  Then they went on to sell oodles of DLC.   Quality-wise Bionic feels about like Skyward (i.e. both are great Arcen games) but it is twice the price of Skyward.  (And yes, I bought it and may buy friends copies too).


Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Misery on October 08, 2013, 08:38:11 PM
Well, that blows. 

I really dont understand how Steam chooses their blasted feature list or whatever you want to call it on the top of the main page.  I personally dont even look at it anymore;  heck, I look at it now and think, ok, so how many years now has Rome Total War 2 and generic FPS games been up on there?  And they're still listing bloody Payday 2, which I expect will be up there until the next Ice Age. As if everyone and their grandma and their grandma's dog hadnt heard of that one by now.

Whole thing is kinda baffling, really, considering that all I'd seen for comments about it before the game launched were along the lines of "I really want this" or "Day one purchase for me!".

Wish I could help with that aspect.   Here's hoping it turns around a bit.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: x4000 on October 08, 2013, 08:57:51 PM
Why the decision to launch this title at $9.99 ($7.49 on sale) and Skyward at $4.99?  Might that have made a difference in launch day sales for both titles?  Bionic is clearly worth more than $4.99 but with a new IP you sometimes have to convince people of that.  Dungeons of Dredmor, a Rouge-like that did very well on Steam at launch, was released at $4.99.  Then they went on to sell oodles of DLC.   Quality-wise Bionic feels about like Skyward (i.e. both are great Arcen games) but it is twice the price of Skyward.  (And yes, I bought it and may buy friends copies too).

Looking around at the general market of similar styles of games, (Sword of the Stars: The Pit and so forth), we felt like that was the right price point.  Honestly with Skyward the $5 price point was an experiment, partly because the game was so incredibly strange and quirky and partly to see what it would do.  In the end we felt like we undervalued that game, although due to the quirky nature it was probably wise to do so.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: x4000 on October 08, 2013, 09:01:19 PM
Well, that blows. 

Yes, that has been my thought.  I've been practically catatonic a good part of this evening.

I really dont understand how Steam chooses their blasted feature list or whatever you want to call it on the top of the main page.  I personally dont even look at it anymore;  heck, I look at it now and think, ok, so how many years now has Rome Total War 2 and generic FPS games been up on there?  And they're still listing bloody Payday 2, which I expect will be up there until the next Ice Age. As if everyone and their grandma and their grandma's dog hadnt heard of that one by now.

Mmm, yeah.  It's a big mystery to everyone.  I am hopeful that maybe this is a time zone mixup and maybe they will add us there tomorrow.  Getting to #29 on their list without being featured is not too small a feat.

Whole thing is kinda baffling, really, considering that all I'd seen for comments about it before the game launched were along the lines of "I really want this" or "Day one purchase for me!".

Yep, for sure.  And the youtubers and reviewers, too.  Maybe this is destined to go gangbusters over the holidays, I don't know.  Or maybe it's more of a grassroots thing over the coming weeks and months.  Or maybe it's just one of those inexplicable misfires that happens in the industry from time to time.

If anyone is wondering, no, this is not an invitation to come in and start critiquing what you think is wrong with the game.  Honestly in my emotional state that is the last thing I need right now.  If I may be so honest.

Wish I could help with that aspect.   Here's hoping it turns around a bit.

I really appreciate it.  Me too!
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Misery on October 08, 2013, 09:18:17 PM
Well, if it helps, the player responses that Iv'e seen so far myself have all been positive, with the only complaint being "normal seems too easy".    As a rule, it seems those that bought it are quite enjoying it.  I cant imagine this one getting anything other than good reviews for the most part, really. 

In my case I cant think up much of anything that bothers me about it, aside from "GaffeBots are annoying, hold the heck still already".   And I'm generally pretty complainy about stuff.


I'm curious, what about Youtube people like Totalbiscuit or others along that line?   Anything set up on that front?
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Cyborg on October 08, 2013, 09:20:08 PM
If anyone is wondering, no, this is not an invitation to come in and start critiquing what you think is wrong with the game.  Honestly in my emotional state that is the last thing I need right now.  If I may be so honest.

I am both one of your company's biggest fans and biggest critic at the exact same time. But at the end of the day, I consider myself a friend of the company, and I want the best outcome for all of you. Will spread the word.

And by the way, this is an awesome title, no doubts about it. If it sucked, you know I would tell you, as I have never been shy in the past about that sort of thing. Hang in there.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: x4000 on October 08, 2013, 09:23:14 PM
@Misery: Some extremely prominent youtubers, including TB, have some stuff planned imminently, so I hear.

@Cyborg: I really really appreciate that sentiment, and I know you are one of the biggest critics (and at the end of the day, am honestly glad to hear you are one of the biggest fans, too).

Again, much appreciated folks.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Billick on October 08, 2013, 09:28:29 PM
Well, it stinks that the game hasn't sold as well as you had hoped.  FWIW, I've been looking forward to this since you announced it, and so far I'm not disappointed.  I played for 2 hours after getting home from working without even realizing it.  Also, browsing the Steam discussions board, it looks like the reception has been almost universally positive so far, which is pretty unusual for the Steam boards.  Hopefully this gets some good word of mouth and reviews, and sales will pick up. 
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: FroBodine on October 08, 2013, 09:50:41 PM
You can really get enough data in 6-7 hours from launch to say if the game is successful or not?  West Coast USA folks are just getting home from work and haven't even had a chance to purchase it yet.  It was evening to middle of the night for much of the globe when it released.  Shouldn't it take at least a couple days of gathering sales to come to this sort of conclusion? 
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: mrhanman on October 08, 2013, 09:51:47 PM
Regardless of the current state of the sales, I still say congratulations for releasing such an awesome game!  It's eaten up a considerable amount of my time, and I know it will consume even more.  Even if I wanted to complain about something, I can't think of anything wrong with it.

I'm sure things will turn around just as soon as more people realize the game is out there.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Mick on October 08, 2013, 09:52:30 PM
I guess you didn't sacrifice enough goats to the Steam gods or something. Hopefully this will get featured soon because this game deserves recognition. I'm not saying that just cause you guys are awesome. Well, you are awesome, but so is the game.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: FroBodine on October 08, 2013, 09:53:10 PM
Agreed.  I am having a blast, and I just barely started.  Keep the faith, Chris!
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Cyborg on October 08, 2013, 09:53:38 PM
I'm sure things will turn around just as soon as more people realize the game is out there.

Tough if your main distributor doesn't announce it, yeah.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: keith.lamothe on October 08, 2013, 09:59:04 PM
You can really get enough data in 6-7 hours from launch if the game is successful or not?  West Coast USA folks are just getting home from work and haven't even had a chance to purchase it yet.  It was evening to middle of the night for much of the globe when it released.  Shouldn't it take at least a couple days of gathering sales to come to this sort of conclusion?
You would think that, from a common-sense perspective, yes.  In practice the overall magnitude of a weeklong sale can be predicted within a certain range based on the first 6 hours or so.  At least for our stuff, on steam, on a sale that starts in the vicinity of 1pm EST.

Doesn't mean something won't break the curve, but outside a certain variance we've never seen it happen.

Bionic's numbers really aren't _that_ bad.  It's certainly not another Tidalis or Shattered Haven (which barely moved the needle, relative to other launches) or even another Valley2 (which moved some money but really came in pretty low). But bionic's numbers are a lot lower than we were hoping given the nearly unanimous "this is a really good game" feedback we've been getting since even before the last polish phase.

That said, AIW wasn't a runaway success out of the gate either.  It was just a really good game that took time to really mature in terms of sales.  That _might_ be what we're seeing here, again.  Though that was a different era of the market, so I dunno.


Quote from: Cyborg
Tough if your main distributor doesn't announce it, yeah.
FWIW they did put Bionic in the RSS feed and in the New Releases list, so it's not zero promotion.  It's just the bare minimum.  I understand that they aren't in a position to be transparent about their decision making process on the promotional spots, but the lack of even knowing "what can we do to warrant that promotional spot?" is hurting us.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Aklyon on October 08, 2013, 10:10:32 PM
Congrats on the release guys!

I'd buy it, but my games money is rather tied up waiting for pokemon this month. :)
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: goodgimp on October 08, 2013, 10:15:58 PM
Just from my perspective, the visibility on Bionic Dues has been much lower than previous titles (AVWW, Skyward Collapse). I just saw a thread pop up on a gaming forum I read, bewildered at where the hell this game popped out from. So far initial impressions on the site are positive and a few "Oh wow, this is Arcen Games?? I had no idea, I'm going to go buy it now". So while this is anecdotal I think visibility is an issue which may be responsible for less-than-expected day one sales. If the various threads I've personally read are any indication the world of mouth will be positive, so hopefully sales pick up as visibility increases as press/word of mouth gets out.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Misery on October 08, 2013, 10:24:19 PM
Just from my perspective, the visibility on Bionic Dues has been much lower than previous titles (AVWW, Skyward Collapse). I just saw a thread pop up on a gaming forum I read, bewildered at where the hell this game popped out from. So far initial impressions on the site are positive and a few "Oh wow, this is Arcen Games?? I had no idea, I'm going to go buy it now". So while this is anecdotal I think visibility is an issue which may be responsible for less-than-expected day one sales. If the various threads I've personally read are any indication the world of mouth will be positive, so hopefully sales pick up as visibility increases as press/word of mouth gets out.

I've noticed the same thing with this one.

It hasnt popped up on a number of sites associated with indie games in general.  Wheras Skyward did.  And I dont mean reviews here, I mean like, stuff about it prior to release.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: x4000 on October 08, 2013, 10:28:44 PM
That's... surprising.  From our standpoint, we've had more pre-release coverage for Bionic than we did for Skyward.  Perhaps not with the right sites, I dunno.  In fact we were just patting ourselves on the back earlier today on how much better we handled the pre-release state of things with Bionic compared to any of our games since Valley 1.  It's interesting how perspectives can really vary.  Mainly I think because the internet is a big place, and it's hard to know where the real taste-making places are, I guess.  If folks have sites that you feel like we should be getting pre-release coverage on but are not, please do bring it up; we have two more games in the hopper for prior to March of next year.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Teal_Blue on October 08, 2013, 11:34:48 PM
Edited ...


I am terribly dismayed that BD is not getting the numbers, i am not a part of your team, but as a forumite, i feel like a part of the family and it hurts to see it not do as well as we all want it to.

Just hope you all can find something, anything that works, i'm just throwing ideas out hoping that i can help a little.

Get some sleep and things will look a bit easier to deal with tomorrow, even if its still rough, at least by tomorrow your determination will make things look a little brighter.

Sincerely,
-Teal

Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Misery on October 09, 2013, 12:29:14 AM
That's... surprising.  From our standpoint, we've had more pre-release coverage for Bionic than we did for Skyward.  Perhaps not with the right sites, I dunno.  In fact we were just patting ourselves on the back earlier today on how much better we handled the pre-release state of things with Bionic compared to any of our games since Valley 1.  It's interesting how perspectives can really vary.  Mainly I think because the internet is a big place, and it's hard to know where the real taste-making places are, I guess.  If folks have sites that you feel like we should be getting pre-release coverage on but are not, please do bring it up; we have two more games in the hopper for prior to March of next year.

Aye, I thought it was surprising as well.  I saw barely any pre-release stuff for this.  Even on Indiegames.com (I think is the proper address), which is the central site I go to, I dont recall seeing much, if any, pre-release stuffs.  And even their article about the fact that it's come out was put up oddly late.   On the plus side, the one who wrote the topic seems to think it's pretty great and did a very good job of explaining it.

But yeah, it seems to me that there just isnt enough coverage.   This was something I'd noticed when watching Das' LP of it, and other things, there would be comments like "Wow, I didn't know about this game at all, this looks like something I really want!"   These sorts of comments werent popping up in various places early on in the alpha.... these were towards the end of it.  When there SHOULD have already been a bit more coverage.

I'll see if I cant look around a bit and see if there's any sites I can suggest. 
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Rekka on October 09, 2013, 03:43:08 AM
Regardless of the sales, congrats on this new release! I really hope it'll ramp up to be a huge success. ;)
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: PokerChen on October 09, 2013, 03:47:31 AM
The only question is whether I buy it now to up sales, or buy it later at full price.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: lutherblissett on October 09, 2013, 07:50:41 AM
I've played all of your games except for Shattered Haven.  This is the first one I didn't know about prior to release (though I knew the plan was to release lots of little games).  I generally read Quarter to Three and Rock Paper Shotgun - I may have missed coverage but I honestly can't say i've seen any. 
Last I heard was about the expansion to Skyward Collapse.

All that aside, I think this is already my favourite of your games.  I liked the technical aspects behind Ai War and Skyward and the artwork and concept of AVWW.  This one manages to combine simple but effective design with layers of depth that I imagine unravel over multiple play throughs.  Great work.  I'll happily sing praises on this one!
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Pepisolo on October 09, 2013, 08:09:47 AM
It's a shame that sales aren't currently at the level you were expecting. I don't really see what more you could have done. The game is really polished. Currently rogue-lites are in fashion. Lots of Let's Player attention. Great reviews. Personally I think that the quality of the game will ensure solid sales in the long-term. I've got a hunch that one of the bigger Let's Players might be attracted to the game, too. Maybe one of the Yogscasters. I guess there's not much point in asking how the Linux sales are going?
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: tigersfan on October 09, 2013, 08:31:04 AM
It's a shame that sales aren't currently at the level you were expecting. I don't really see what more you could have done. The game is really polished. Currently rogue-lites are in fashion. Lots of Let's Player attention. Great reviews. Personally I think that the quality of the game will ensure solid sales in the long-term. I've got a hunch that one of the bigger Let's Players might be attracted to the game, too. Maybe one of the Yogscasters. I guess there's not much point in asking how the Linux sales are going?

One of the Yogscasters picking up on this would certainly be nice. :)

As for Linux sales, at the moment, they are pretty bleak but 1.) Getting this game on Linux should help pave the way to get our older titles on there eventually.

2.) We've been a non-Linux dev for so long that I'm sure a lot of Linux-only gamers don't give us a lot of attention... yet.

3.) The Linux thing was kinda last minute, so, there's no surprise that that isn't known about yet. But I'm sure those sales will go up as the word gets out.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Pepisolo on October 09, 2013, 08:42:23 AM
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As for Linux sales, at the moment, they are pretty bleak but 1.) Getting this game on Linux should help pave the way to get our older titles on there eventually.

2.) We've been a non-Linux dev for so long that I'm sure a lot of Linux-only gamers don't give us a lot of attention... yet.

3.) The Linux thing was kinda last minute, so, there's no surprise that that isn't known about yet. But I'm sure those sales will go up as the word gets out.

Cool. Thanks for the info. I hope sales pick up.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Greifenstein on October 09, 2013, 09:55:01 AM
Hey,

I just registered here to tell you guys how amazing your new game is - please excuse the sloppy use of the english language, as it's not my first language. It's my second Arcen game after Skyward Collapse (&addon) and in it's own way even more fun than Skyward.

It's been a while since I got so many fun hours of gametime for such good prices - also I can't believe how polished your titles are in comparison to a lot of games with much higher budgets.

Hopefully you'll get a lot more spotlight/coverage for Bionic Dues and all your future titles (Starport 28 sounds amazing, even though nobody knows how exactly the game will be like. For me, the name brings back good memories from dear old Startopia) in order to broaden the audience of your games. At least RPS just posted something about the release, but on the youtube-side it looks kinda sad.

best of luck to you!


edit: Out of couriosity, because I don't know a thing about promotion of Indie titles: Have you sent review copies to the likes of TotalBiscuit (big youtubers who might be into games like this) to try to get them play the title? Or are those channels to big to even care about such "small" projects?
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: tigersfan on October 09, 2013, 10:04:47 AM
edit: Out of couriosity, because I don't know a thing about promotion of Indie titles: Have you sent review copies to the likes of TotalBiscuit (big youtubers who might be into games like this) to try to get them play the title? Or are those channels to big to even care about such "small" projects?

Thanks for the kind words.

We do send our games out to youtubers that we think might like the game, both big and small.

As for TB specifically, I know for a fact he's aware of the game. Weather or not he covers it is up to him. He doesn't take requests from devs or fans, so out side making sure he's aware of the game, that's all that can be done.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Logorouge on October 09, 2013, 11:35:55 AM
Slow start huh? I'll be sure to spread the word. By the way, was the youtuber OverTheGun among those who got a review copy of the game? His "Indiegestion" videos are pretty good.

The Steam-only part did scare me for a minute, but as long as the game remains independent I'm okay with it. I just don't want to see "Your game is unavailable for now because Steam doesn't feel like it. Try again later."

Seriously, you guys always make the games I wanna play. Thank you!
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: chemical_art on October 09, 2013, 11:36:25 AM
Will anakysize more later, but the rougelike audience is a sliver of the strategy audience. of course it will sell worst. with no demo, many assume in difficulty the defeault as the in game expert  difficulty, and that doesnt appeal to most players.

A rougelike with no demo simply will be ignored by many outright. In no snall part becauuse players think it will be hard. with no demo, it cannot be disproven really.

The game lacks an easy "hook" as well, unlike Skyward.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Misery on October 09, 2013, 12:07:19 PM
Will anakysize more later, but the rougelike audience is a sliver of the strategy audience. of course it will sell worst. with no demo, many assume in difficulty the defeault as the in game expert  difficulty, and that doesnt appeal to most players.

A rougelike with no demo simply will be ignored by many outright. In no snall part becauuse players think it will be hard. with no demo, it cannot be disproven really.

The game lacks an easy "hook" as well, unlike Skyward.

Not quite true.   A niche audience, sure, but there's a lot more people in that community than you might think.  The sheer number of roguelikes getting made and released all the time is proof of that.   I've lost count of how many I now have.    Games like Dredmore also prove it wrong, as that game sold VERY well.   It didn't really have any "hooks" either; it's a very traditional roguelike.  It did well though because plenty were interested in that kind of game, and be cause it was a high quality game, and also because it was advertised like crazy, as indie advertising goes.  I was aware of it many months before it came out, and it had a rather crowded beta.

If anything, Skyward is even more niche than this one.  Responses from people finding this one have been along the lines of " wow, this looks great! A roguelike from Arcen!"  Whereas a common response I saw with Skyward was "what the heck is this? I'm not sure what's going on in this game". 

Neither the roguelike genre or the "god-game" subgenre are as big as the overall strategy genre, but they appeal to the same type of players. Most strategy fans that I've met also play one or both of those two types.

You have a point about the lack of a demo though.  This game does kinda need one.  There's already been plenty of people asking for one.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: tigersfan on October 09, 2013, 12:09:02 PM
While I'm not saying that we will or will not have a demo, I will point out that Dredmor does NOT have one. At least, none that I could find in the last 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: x4000 on October 09, 2013, 12:10:06 PM
I am uploading a tri-platform demo as we speak, fyi.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: x4000 on October 09, 2013, 12:18:45 PM
All righty, demo is now out.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Apathetic on October 09, 2013, 12:27:18 PM
I wanted to say that Bionic Dues is quite an enjoyable roguelike, after spending a few months playing nethack it's nice to have non-ascii graphics.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: x4000 on October 09, 2013, 12:43:45 PM
Thank you thank you to everyone here offering support and kind words. :)

And welcome to those who are new!
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Tridus on October 09, 2013, 12:50:47 PM
There's a pretty friendly review on PAR (http://penny-arcade.com/report/article/fight-a-guerilla-war-against-the-robot-overlords-in-mini-xcom-bionic-dues?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter). Also the lone metacritic review and the user scores are good.

I really don't know what to say. You can only really control the "make a good game" part, and you accomplished that by pretty much every measure. Is it possible that it's just the time of year? So much stuff comes out in the fall that it's hard to get the attention of the gaming press.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Castruccio on October 09, 2013, 01:15:49 PM
That PA Report review could be a big deal.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Huw on October 09, 2013, 01:17:54 PM
(I still can't quote on this forum!)

Tigersfan, how do you know Linux sales are bleak?  I bought direct from you, which meant you sold me a key.  I plugged it into Steam, and (now that I know it's available on Linux) I'll be playing it mainly in Linux from now on.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Billick on October 09, 2013, 02:13:22 PM
Commenting on a few things here:

I bought the game on the PC Steam client, but I've been playing on both my PC and my Linux machine
(Aside #1: The game runs perfectly on my crappy 6 year old laptop that's running Linux, which is awesome because most games crap out on it).
(Aside #2: How hard would it be to implement Steam Cloud support?  It would be neat to be able to share saves between my two machines)

"...mini-X-COM..." - Penny Arcade Report.  Awesome.

I saw that Rock Paper Shotgun also posted a blurb about the game. 
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Greywolf22 on October 09, 2013, 03:23:04 PM
Well, I thought I'd chime in my 2 cents.  Honestly until this game I didn't know what "rougelike" meant.  To me I thought rougelike meant games like Theif..so yeah a bit out of the loop (although I do own several rougelike games I just never realized that's what they were called genre wise).

Anyway, I still consider it just as much a strategy game (speaking genere type) then strictly rougelike...by that I mean, I think it does cover a fairly broadbase of player types.

I hope it goes on to sell a ton, and hopefully the demo will bring even more interest into the game.

I also tend to agree with the folks here, that besides this forum (and being actively involved in the Alpha), I can't say that I've seen it advertised very much...maybe because I know it's here and I'm already familiar with it I simply haven't been looking.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Misery on October 09, 2013, 08:09:35 PM
Hm, I think that Penny Arcade review of it is notable simply for how well it explains the way the game works.  That's the best write-up of it I've yet seen.

Been pretty much all positive reviews of it so far that I've seen, so that's good.  The only negativity I've seen about the game falls into the usual 2 camps that are always there:  1, the ones that complain about the artwork, and 2, the ones that think that since Arcen brings out games real fast, they must not be high quality.   There's ALWAYS people from both groups complaining about stuff every time one of these releases.  It's like clockwork. 

As usual I dont see the basis for the art complaints.  I think the art style is very good for this one, though I'll agree with some that have said that the title screen and team selection menus are a bit too spartan, if that's the right word.   But other than that....  the robot designs are cool and the levels are very atmospheric, in my opinion. 

Like with Skyward though, those people seem to be in the minority, so that's good.   .....not to mention that pretty much every indie game ever is going to have those same type of comments from some people, no matter what.  I think it's the only thing that really bugs me about indie gaming in general, is having to listen to that for EVERY game I'm into.


But yeah, pretty darn positive overall.  I really dont think there's any question that the game is bloody good, heh.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Wacky Willy on October 09, 2013, 09:39:52 PM
To be perfectly honest, I was at the Arcen store page about to hit the purchase button when I saw that the game was steam exclusive.  I consider steam DRM and I'm not willing to put it on my computer. 

No chance of relasing a steam-free version at the Arcen store? 

Any chance of you releasing this game on GOG?
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: zespri on October 09, 2013, 09:51:42 PM
Others can correct me but as far as I understand you do not need steam to *play* the game. You just need it to buy/install it. So there is no kind of "steam DRM" in this case.


This explanation http://www.arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,12507.msg149499.html#msg149499 I think also applies to Bionic Dues
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Castruccio on October 09, 2013, 09:54:24 PM
You can download it through steam, move the 'bionic dues' folder anywhere you'd like, delete steam, and still play the game.  Steam is just a means of delivery.  Sort of like the GOG downloader.  You don't have to have Steam installed to play the game once you have downloaded it.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: zespri on October 09, 2013, 10:04:29 PM
(Aside #2: How hard would it be to implement Steam Cloud support?  It would be neat to be able to share saves between my two machines)

When this was asked about AI War the answer was that it saves to much information too often or something, so this is not practical. For Bionic Dues though it sounds like it's a good fit. Keith/Chris, what do you think? You mentioned before that the API for that is dead simple to use.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Wacky Willy on October 09, 2013, 10:19:23 PM
You can download it through steam, move the 'bionic dues' folder anywhere you'd like, delete steam, and still play the game.  Steam is just a means of delivery.  Sort of like the GOG downloader.  You don't have to have Steam installed to play the game once you have downloaded it.

And when the inevitable cavalcade of Arcen patches comes out, all I have to do is re-install steam each and every time!

You're wondering why sales of this title have been lean, I was a lost sale.  Steam exclusivity was the culprit.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: zespri on October 09, 2013, 10:23:39 PM
And when the inevitable cavalcade of Arcen patches comes out, all I have to do is re-install steam each and every time!
You're wondering why sales of this title have been lean, I was a lost sale.  Steam exclusivity was the culprit.
Not sure what you are complaining about. First it was DRM, then what...? Update delivery? What's your problem with steam anyway? It is *the* digital distribution platform for games at the moment. You don't have to like it, but then you are missing out on a lot of stuff anyway.

By the way you don't have to "re-install" steam - the steam client is very clever all you need is steam.exe - it will download/update all the missing files in case you happened to delete it etc. It's as hassle-free as could be.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: keith.lamothe on October 09, 2013, 11:36:27 PM
You're wondering why sales of this title have been lean, I was a lost sale.  Steam exclusivity was the culprit.
You are of course entitled to your opinion, but for every single product we've released well over 90% of sales come direct through steam.  Therefore, it is highly improbable that steam exclusivity is the culprit here.  Do you disagree?
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Misery on October 10, 2013, 01:16:44 AM
You can download it through steam, move the 'bionic dues' folder anywhere you'd like, delete steam, and still play the game.  Steam is just a means of delivery.  Sort of like the GOG downloader.  You don't have to have Steam installed to play the game once you have downloaded it.

And when the inevitable cavalcade of Arcen patches comes out, all I have to do is re-install steam each and every time!

You're wondering why sales of this title have been lean, I was a lost sale.  Steam exclusivity was the culprit.

I'm sorry, but I always have to wonder WHY some people dont like Steam, or say that it's DRM.  I've been using it for years myself, and have 155 games on there.  Never once had a problem.  At all. Not even if my connection drops out for the night, which it will do every few days or so, as is the policy for bloody Comcast.  My games seem to still work just fine in offline mode, except for anything like an MMO of course.

Frankly, I would very definitely not want to go without it.  By far the best method of distribution I've yet seen, under one of the absolute best developers/publishers out there.  It makes going to the store to buy games, or going to all sorts of different seperate, annoying sites for each one, seem like the Stone Age.  .....also the cost is often really dramatically less.  Quite often, there are times I wont buy a game BECAUSE it's not on Steam.   Though, I also use Desura, which is another pretty good one in it's own right.

You want to see real DRM?  Go try out Origin.   Just.... ugh.  I think that sums up my thoughts on THAT one. 
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: GrimerX on October 10, 2013, 01:47:57 AM
Yeah, Steam is awesome.  It's basically the reason I moved back to the PC after some time with consoles.

I see Bionic Dues is now in "Featured Games" -- hopefully that helps.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: keith.lamothe on October 10, 2013, 02:38:32 AM
Personally I get why someone would just want to not use steam.  And if a game uses the "cannot start this game unless steam is also running" feature of steamworks, then yea that's definitely DRM.  We don't use that feature.  So I don't really see it as DRM in Bionic's case.  The control is at the distribution level, once you have the game it makes absolutely no attempt whatsoever to defend itself ;) 

That's true of a bunch of games where if you have the files you have the game, so naturally the developers control don't distribute the files openly.

Btw, going with steam's update system is basically what made a Linux build feasible for us.  Which is more likely to add to sales: a non-steam version, or a linux version?  I don't know the answer personally, but I think in the future it will lean definitely towards the latter.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: PokerChen on October 10, 2013, 04:08:29 AM
Just want to say congrats, now that I have had my own hands on the game.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Misery on October 10, 2013, 05:40:55 AM
And I just want to say, I'm still addicted to the bloody thing.

Same thing that happened with Skyward, hah.  It's another "doesnt get old" sort of game that I never burn out on. 

Here's hoping that expansions can happen with this one, because it sure as heck is off to a fantastic start.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Pepisolo on October 10, 2013, 07:11:37 AM
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I see Bionic Dues is now in "Featured Games" -- hopefully that helps.

Oh, yeah. That should make a difference.

Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Jukelo on October 10, 2013, 08:59:12 AM
And when the inevitable cavalcade of Arcen patches comes out, all I have to do is re-install steam each and every time!

You're wondering why sales of this title have been lean, I was a lost sale.  Steam exclusivity was the culprit.

The game comes with its own updater, so I doubt you need steam to even get the patches.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Mick on October 10, 2013, 09:14:56 AM
And when the inevitable cavalcade of Arcen patches comes out, all I have to do is re-install steam each and every time!

It's much better than the days where I had to install and uninstall my CD-ROM drivers every time I needed to load something onto my computer from a disk. That was really annoying.

At least it got less painful when I learned I didn't have to open up the tower and unplug the drive from the motherboard each time.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Misery on October 10, 2013, 09:23:14 AM
It's better than CDs, period.

I'm not exactly organized and the damn things just get EVERYWHERE.  ...they're STILL everywhere.   I can lift up the TV and hey, there's some CDs under there that do who knows what.

Trying to find the right disc for the right game each time I want to run it..... yeah, I"m glad I dont have to do THAT anymore.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Wacky Willy on October 10, 2013, 10:17:32 AM
It's better than CDs, period.

I'm not exactly organized and the damn things just get EVERYWHERE.  ...they're STILL everywhere.   I can lift up the TV and hey, there's some CDs under there that do who knows what.

Trying to find the right disc for the right game each time I want to run it..... yeah, I"m glad I dont have to do THAT anymore.

I swear, steam users are worse than Mac users.  I'm able to sort my disks just fine, thank you, no need for steam to hold my hand.

I understand if a steam-free version is not possible for the linux port, but I'm a PC user and all I'm saying is, if steam didn't make you sign some sort of exclusivity contract, I'd happily buy a steam-free version off the arcen store if it became available.  In the meantime, I'll pass.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Misery on October 10, 2013, 10:47:49 AM
It's better than CDs, period.

I'm not exactly organized and the damn things just get EVERYWHERE.  ...they're STILL everywhere.   I can lift up the TV and hey, there's some CDs under there that do who knows what.

Trying to find the right disc for the right game each time I want to run it..... yeah, I"m glad I dont have to do THAT anymore.

I swear, steam users are worse than Mac users.  I'm able to sort my disks just fine, thank you, no need for steam to hold my hand.

I understand if a steam-free version is not possible for the linux port, but I'm a PC user and all I'm saying is, if steam didn't make you sign some sort of exclusivity contract, I'd happily buy a steam-free version off the arcen store if it became available.  In the meantime, I'll pass.

Oh, the disorganization of the discs isnt because of "being spoiled by Steam" or anything along that line.  It's been that way since the days of old, back when floppies were the main type of storage and hard drives werent a thing yet. Used to be floppies EVERYWHERE, wherever I happened to be.  Stupidly, there's actually still a few of those lying around here.   I practically INVENTED "disorganized".

The discs though became a plague akin to locusts loooooooooooong before Steam existed.  Or any other distribution platform.  One of these days I should do something about them, but..... ehhhhh. Why do today what I could do next century?

The main reason why I prefer the Steam method.... or any other distribution platform.... or simple direct downloads.... isnt even that, but it's just my extreme impatience.  2 seconds of looking for a damn disc is about 50 hours too many.

As for "exclusivity contract"..... what?   I honestly dont even know what that is.   Steam makes you sign something?   ....actually I cant remember ANY of the distribution platforms doing that.  Even Origin didn't require that I do anything particularly funky, and that's freaking ORIGIN (the funkiness started AFTER it was all set up).   Is there something I missed here?  Certainly possible, I can barely remember what month it is half the time.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Tridus on October 10, 2013, 10:52:00 AM
As for "exclusivity contract"..... what?   I honestly dont even know what that is.   Steam makes you sign something?   ....actually I cant remember ANY of the distribution platforms doing that.  Even Origin didn't require that I do anything particularly funky, and that's freaking ORIGIN (the funkiness started AFTER it was all set up).   Is there something I missed here?  Certainly possible, I can barely remember what month it is half the time.

He's saying that if Arcen didn't sign an exclusive deal with Steam to distribute Bionic Dues, that they should get it up in their own store.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Teal_Blue on October 10, 2013, 10:57:45 AM
It's better than CDs, period.

I'm not exactly organized and the damn things just get EVERYWHERE.  ...they're STILL everywhere.   I can lift up the TV and hey, there's some CDs under there that do who knows what.

Trying to find the right disc for the right game each time I want to run it..... yeah, I"m glad I dont have to do THAT anymore.

I swear, steam users are worse than Mac users.  I'm able to sort my disks just fine, thank you, no need for steam to hold my hand.

I understand if a steam-free version is not possible for the linux port, but I'm a PC user and all I'm saying is, if steam didn't make you sign some sort of exclusivity contract, I'd happily buy a steam-free version off the arcen store if it became available.  In the meantime, I'll pass.



I am not sure what exclusive rights may bring with it, or if each 'vendor', ie GamersGate, GOG, GreenMan Gaming, Gamestop, Desura, etc... charges a fee to list a game? Or perhaps it means simply having one place handle the distribution instead of the devs? But there is probably some major reason Arcen decided to do it this way. Maybe if they don't have to do all the various contracts and details for each vendor then it leaves them time to code games, or have a little free time with the family, like a life? 

But maybe after a certain time, like 3, or 6 months or a year, then they could branch out to other vendors? I don't know if its even attractive to do so, but there is probably a reason for Arcen to have it all on steam. Anyway, sorry for the angst, i know what it feels like,  there used to be a mac game called Myth that was so cool, and well... i had a pc and could only think about getting it because i couldn't afford a whole other computer just to play one game, haha, but its crazy like that sometimes.

Anyway, i hope it gets on other sites at some point and you can enjoy it,

-Sincerely,
-Teal

Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Tridus on October 10, 2013, 11:04:48 AM
Guys, they said the reason it's only on Steam is that they don't have a way to provide updates to the Linux version, and Steam does. A Windows only version could be released elsewhere and use its own updater, but Steam handles all this automatically on every platform.  I'd expect to see it available elsewhere at some point in the not-too-distant future (at least for Windows).

I'm not sure it's really related to the point, anyway. If Steam sales aren't meeting expectations, having other outlets selling it doesn't change that. Steam is the majority of the market, if the sales there are disappointing it's going to hit the bottom line really hard no matter what. The real question is why aren't things going well on Steam?
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: chemical_art on October 10, 2013, 12:14:54 PM

I'm not sure it's really related to the point, anyway. If Steam sales aren't meeting expectations, having other outlets selling it doesn't change that. Steam is the majority of the market, if the sales there are disappointing it's going to hit the bottom line really hard no matter what. The real question is why aren't things going well on Steam?

Probably, but I will say there is the potential that limiting it to steam may have caused reducing reporting of news. With less vendors, less opportunities to advertise, and much more vulnerable to having that single vendor not advertising the game during launch.

Again, potential, I have no idea for sure. But it is not as simple as gains from linux only buyers vs sales from non steam buyers. More avenues for sale = more exposure as well.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: zespri on October 10, 2013, 04:21:14 PM
And when the inevitable cavalcade of Arcen patches comes out, all I have to do is re-install steam each and every time!

You're wondering why sales of this title have been lean, I was a lost sale.  Steam exclusivity was the culprit.

The game comes with its own updater, so I doubt you need steam to even get the patches.
Does Bionic Dues come with its own updater though? I somehow doubt it, being supported on linux and all....
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Jukelo on October 10, 2013, 04:45:11 PM
Does Bionic Dues come with its own updater though? I somehow doubt it, being supported on linux and all....

Actually it's a mistake on my part - there is indeed a 'BionicAutoUpdater-windows.exe' file in the game dir, but it is...the Skyward Collapse updater which for some reason was kept in there.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: chemical_art on October 10, 2013, 06:47:40 PM
Does Bionic Dues come with its own updater though? I somehow doubt it, being supported on linux and all....

Actually it's a mistake on my part - there is indeed a 'BionicAutoUpdater-windows.exe' file in the game dir, but it is...the Skyward Collapse updater which for some reason was kept in there.

It was still left in there? I thought that was an alpha thing.

Yes, there is a SC updater...and EULA license.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: keith.lamothe on October 10, 2013, 07:41:54 PM
Yea, the updater is still there but doesn't actually work at this time.  That's the piece we have no linux equivalent for, incidentally.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: PokerChen on October 11, 2013, 03:53:31 AM
 I'm so used to free software on linux, I immediate thought of it as a matter of wget / git checkout. :P  But then, depends on what exactly you are downloading and how much protection you need about distribution.

 Who's familiar with commercial software distribution and maintenance on Linux?
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: keith.lamothe on October 11, 2013, 03:59:26 AM
I'm so used to free software on linux, I immediate thought of it as a matter of wget / git checkout. :P  But then, depends on what exactly you are downloading and how much protection you need about distribution.
The updates themselves could probably be totally unprotected.  Indeed, that's how it is with our previous games (if you know the url, which isn't hard to find, you can just download them through wget or whatever).  Nor are we asking steam to specifically vet anyone who asks them for the update files for Bionic, but they only distribute those through the client.
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: chemical_art on October 11, 2013, 08:56:01 AM
Can you at least update the EULA so it says BD instead of SC?
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: Histidine on October 19, 2013, 01:57:48 AM
Out of curiosity, have sales picked up any in the past week after the RPS coverage and appearance on Steam featured list?
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: PokerChen on October 19, 2013, 05:39:18 AM
Can you at least update the EULA so it says BD instead of SC?
...you read that?
Title: Re: Bionic Dues Now Available on Steam, Arcen Store
Post by: keith.lamothe on October 19, 2013, 10:51:13 AM
We had updated the EULA in our copy during development, but it was outside the RuntimeData directory and thus not included in the normal update packages so we didn't notice until post-release that the steam copy had the old one, etc.  I think it should be fixed now, but I'm never quite sure what someone else's steam copy might look like.