What will the Zenith Playstyle be?

[WolfWhiteFire]

I know we will be able to play as spire, zenith, or human. I know human from the first game, I know spire will be a more warlike game, but what about the zenith? All I know about the zenith is from the things they left behind in the first game, spire has the fallen spire campaign to give me an idea of what playing them would be like. Zenith I just know liked to build over-sized stuff like the dyson sphere and I believe the golems. So could someone explain what kind of play style would come with them? I am curious.

[Captain Jack]

We'll be talking some about this in our next update. They're closer to humans but have their own ships, techs and some fun interactions with relevant minor factions!

[WolfWhiteFire]

Okay, I will have to check out the update when it is available to look at.

[Radiant Phoenix]

Having read update #4, it sounds like the Zenith game hasn't differentiated from the human game much yet.

The Zenith seem to be about the remnants of their past, so maybe their playstyle should focus on something to the effect of excavating and building "wonders", like the broken golems and the post-AS minor factions, and diplomacy with the other Zenith factions, like the Dyson Sphere, Traders, Miners, and Devourer.

[Aklyon]

I like that idea.

[WolfWhiteFire]

Where did you see that update #4? I looked at the dev diary and didn't find it, is it somewhere else? Also from what little I know, I would think of the Zenith as sort of economy rampers, starting out weak then later on producing expensive things like golems using a very strong economy, though I guess that might be a bit lacking in the gameplay department.

[WolfWhiteFire]

Nevermind, I found it, though personally I would prefer the Zenith playing style being far from the human play style, farther than it suggests it will be at least, after all, if we want the human play style we have the humans for that.

[Captain Jack]

Where did you see that update #4? I looked at the dev diary and didn't find it, is it somewhere else? Also from what little I know, I would think of the Zenith as sort of economy rampers, starting out weak then later on producing expensive things like golems using a very strong economy, though I guess that might be a bit lacking in the gameplay department.

That's basically the human playstyle. Except:

producing ...golems

Not happening. You'll be able to rebuild them, and build Demi-Golems, but full Golems are beyond even the Spire without a lot of time.

Having read update #4, it sounds like the Zenith game hasn't differentiated from the human game much yet.

The Zenith seem to be about the remnants of their past, so maybe their playstyle should focus on something to the effect of excavating and building "wonders", like the broken golems and the post-AS minor factions, and diplomacy with the other Zenith factions, like the Dyson Sphere, Traders, Miners, and Devourer.

That's about right, especially the "yet". We need a solid template to start with in order tp take it a different direction. No diplomacy though, not something we're doing.

[Chthon]

When the Neinzul get added, will you have like 30 seconds to beat the AI before your successor takes control and you pass away?

[Radiant Phoenix]

No diplomacy though, not something we're doing.

No diplomacy at all, or just no diplomacy on release?

[Captain Jack]

When the Neinzul get added, will you have like 30 seconds to beat the AI before your successor takes control and you pass away?

Half Minute AI War? Fund it! (but seriously I have an out for that mwahahahahaha)

No diplomacy though, not something we're doing.

No diplomacy at all, or just no diplomacy on release?

I don't want to say "never ever" because that could get me in trouble if things change, but I've never seen it discussed except here on the forum, in the context of Chris saying it's not happening. I suspect the interactions with the Dyson Sphere in Classic will be the model AIW2 follows. Implicit diplomacy, basically.

[WolfWhiteFire]

Not happening. You'll be able to rebuild them, and build Demi-Golems, but full Golems are beyond even the Spire without a lot of time.

I just put that because to my knowledge the Zenith built the golems in the first place.

That's basically the human playstyle. Except:

Okay, so never mind about that, like I sorta mentioned in a different comment, there wouldn't be much point in having them if they play as slightly different humans.

[Captain Jack]

the Zenith built the golems in the first place.

Hah, the Zenith GROW UP to be Golems.

And I agree about trying to make them different.If absolutely nothing else in 1.0, the Zenith will have different ship types from what the humans get. Hoping we'll be able to do a lot more from the start.

[WolfWhiteFire]

Hah, the Zenith GROW UP to be Golems.

Huh, that is nice to know. Though does that mean when we fix the golems what we really were doing was healing and enslaving a living thing to destroy our enemies?

[Chthon]

Or maybe asking it very nicely to kill those that were the ones who gravely injured them in the first place.