The floor is now open for (LORE!) questions

[kasnavada]

Since Ypu've mentioned that Zenith "grow" limbs when they need them, can they actually discard stuff they don't need anymore? Because that would explain why they are so big or why they look like soemthign Frankenstein would've designed.

You know, I never thought about it. Yeah probably, but it's harder the bigger they are. Probably feels like tearing off a fingernail, adjusted to scale. Unless they grew the part with the intention of quickly removing it, which is actually kinda horrifying if you think about it... Or maybe not, lizards and their tails and all that. That's basically how the Zenith Hydra works too!

It's horrifying because humans don't grow back limbs...
If humans layed 100 eggs a year instead of having babies and had to trash 99% of them for fear of overpopulation, ethics would be much different from what it is now. Whether it would be a good or bad thing... no clue.

[Draco18s]

It's horrifying because humans don't grow back limbs...
If humans layed 100 eggs a year instead of having babies and had to trash 99% of them for fear of overpopulation, ethics would be much different from what it is now. Whether it would be a good or bad thing... no clue.

Was reading a series of books recently that explored that a little bit.  I.e. "High-K breeders and Low-K breeders."  High-K organisms (like humans) form emotional attachments with every offspring, because generally you're only going to have a couple over the course of your lifetime.  Low-K organisms pump out hundreds, give no fucks about the individuals, and eventually a few of them survive to adulthood (at which point they get a name).

A particular race that was Low-K was practically forced into extinction by the rest of Galactic Society's fear that they would over-populate due to high survival rates in the modern age.

[kasnavada]

I was more thinking that a "Low-K" race would probably use its own embryos for genetic empowerement and manipulation (compared to complete lack of medical studies on babies for humans, for rather obvious, I hope, ethical reasons).

[Draco18s]

I was more thinking that a "Low-K" race would probably use its own embryos for genetic empowerement and manipulation (compared to complete lack of medical studies on babies for humans, for rather obvious, I hope, ethical reasons).

Yeah a low-k race might do that sort of research more than high-k.
"Meh, what's a dozen kids? We pump out like a hundred every month..."

[crazyroosterman]

just noticed this thread so here's some questions for you.

1 are any of the races from the other games(I'm mainly thinking of tlf here) intended to be in this game at all? probably not but I figured it was worth asking any way.

2 what is a golem hydral exactly? the mental image that name creates for me is rather amusing I have to say.

3 if the core wasn't actually made by humans then who did make it? if there's no explanation for that then id be willing to hypothesise.
 that it was made by an alien race(maybe not even the core ai war races) although the actual culprit in that case would be pretty infinite.

[chemical_art]

3 if the core wasn't actually made by humans then who did make it? if there's no explanation for that then id be willing to hypothesise.
 that it was made by an alien race(maybe not even the core ai war races) although the actual culprit in that case would be pretty infinite.

I thought the humans made it at the peak of their power. It was part of their civil war. They were too successful and the AI took over.

I look forward to Captain Jack clarifying this point though. So much of the lore can be interpreted in many ways it can be hard to keep track of.

[Pumpkin]

3 if the core wasn't actually made by humans then who did make it? if there's no explanation for that then id be willing to hypothesise.
 that it was made by an alien race(maybe not even the core ai war races) although the actual culprit in that case would be pretty infinite.

I thought the humans made it at the peak of their power. It was part of their civil war. They were too successful and the AI took over.

I look forward to Captain Jack clarifying this point though. So much of the lore can be interpreted in many ways it can be hard to keep track of.

As far as I understand it (read "I might be wrong"), the Core is one of two exiled beings (the second is the Exodian Blade), and as the Core allies with the AI (more or less, this is where things become blurry), go to galaxy NGC 224 and fight the Spire Empire, I guess the two Core and Blade were banished by what was before the Spire Empire (or an old instance of the Spire Empire). So we might imagine the Core and Blade are more or less relative to Spire, ranging from "actual Spire beings" to "as much Spire as humans are apes".

[WolfWhiteFire]

A bit of a contribution from me that is related to several questions. Don't read this if you don't want spoilers (but then what are you doing here?).


 From AI War journal entries and some reading on SBR I did before it was put on hold for AI War 2, if I remember correctly the Spire long long ago created the Zenith as servants. The spire are actually their ships by the way. Over time they stopped needing the Zenith or something and the Zenith evolved and became independent. If I recall correctly the Exodian Blade and his brother were spire who were exiled for some reason. They sat around for a while, eventually the humans came and found them. Something was wrong with the brother, some unknown influence or something (the exodian blade said something about his brother's song being wrong I believe), and the brother pretended to not be self-aware and the humans thought it was just a machine. The Exodian Blade and his brother had some sort of I think psychic battle and the Exodian Blade lost. The brother helped the humans in ways that suited it's own purposes (he helped, and I believe the human leading the faction that had the brother started to get suspicious. So the brother went to the other faction and tricked them. So the two factions had AIs. The brother eventually left and his "servants" (the AI according to the exodian blade) teamed up against the humans, possibly at his will. Keep in mind this is just from what I THINK I remember from journal entries, discussions, and SBR discussions and information, so it may not be accurate. Also crazyroosterman from what I know the TFL factions are in the same universe. Except extremely far away and I believe TFL takes place in the far future and SBR in the far future after that. Also where did you read anything about a hydral golem, there is the zenith hydra but that is a ship not a golem, though that kind of makes you wonder how they knew anything about hydras when naming that, maybe they came in contact with the Hydral race if it existed then?  Also I did get sort of an answer in the discussion I made, but any chance with current plans to continue the story of the exodian blade and his brother, or at least add to it. I mean they were the reason the ENTIRE first game happened, and now the second one. Also if the AI were destroyed and came back, maybe the brother created some more or fixed them?

[Captain Jack]

The Zenith rose and fell LONG before the Spire ascended to power. But still, one thing I want to play with in the sequel is actually creating a relationship between all three AIW-side aliens, and the various factions thereof so... 

The Hydral "Golem" is a class of ships you see in tech recovery missions. Very mysterious isn't it?

"Hydra" is the human name for the ship class, the new Zenith use the term themselves for lack of knowing what it was originally called.

The Twin Exiles probably won't star at all. Kinda hard to work anything of their power level into 1.0. They're also not quite as central to AIWC as you think. Pumpkin's got the right of it there.

[WolfWhiteFire]

Okay, I was just going by what I thought I remembered from journal entries and a bit from reading on SBR, might have been thinking of something else, misremembered, misread, or read inaccurate information. But I wasn't expecting it all to be accurate, just thought I would add all the lore I remembered due to the title of this topic.

They're also not quite as central to AIWC as you think.

Are you sure? That the brother provided the technology for the AI was one of the things I was most sure that I remembered from a journal entry. (Yeah I just checked it, and it seems to very strongly suggest so, though I guess not outright say it) So really it was just the brother allied himself with the AI?

[crazyroosterman]

in response to wolf the fact that they knew what a hydral was isn't that mysterious provided the fact that its a mythological creature(as well as  literal one in their universe) so they probably named it after the mythological version.
though that the hydral species exist in earths mythology in a way is quite intresting it self.

[Captain Jack]

They're also not quite as central to AIWC as you think.

Are you sure? That the brother provided the technology for the AI was one of the things I was most sure that I remembered from a journal entry. (Yeah I just checked it, and it seems to very strongly suggest so, though I guess not outright say it) So really it was just the brother allied himself with the AI?

Yup. Though the relationship isn't that cut and dry it basically boils down to an alliance.

[WolfWhiteFire]

in response to wolf the fact that they knew what a hydral was isn't that mysterious provided the fact that its a mythological creature(as well as  literal one in their universe) so they probably named it after the mythological version.
though that the hydral species exist in earths mythology in a way is quite intresting it self.

I wasn't talking about Hydras, I was talking about the race in The Last Federation (which exists in the same universe though far far away in space and I believe far in the future) called the Hydrals. The whole game you are the last survivor of that race. I was was wondering if maybe they somehow met the hydrals since 1.The hydrals have ridiculously long life times, 2. the hydrals were space faring long long before the other races in the game and have advanced technology (including teleportation so....) and 3. It would give a reason why they would think of that ship. I doubt they ever actually met the hydrals though.

Yup. Though the relationship isn't that cut and dry it basically boils down to an alliance.

Oh okay, that makes sense.

[Martianhunter]

Is the Lore going to be collected into an well composed codex of information within AIWII? Possibly one that is unlocked by progress through multiple campaigns?

[Captain Jack]

Is the Lore going to be collected into an well composed codex of information within AIWII? Possibly one that is unlocked by progress through multiple campaigns?

A post for the first Kickstarter said unlocked lore entries would be viewable across campaigns. Of course that was when resource spots would be the source of 90% of the log entries, which is not the case anymore, so you'll have to ask Keith how it's going to work.