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Offline Pumpkin

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About wormholes and galaxy constraints
« on: August 31, 2016, 11:46:14 AM »
I'm worried that part of the mechanisms gets forgotten, but when Destroyer of Worlds came out, it introduced an interesting feature (two, actually).

1) Edges can change. With the nomad planets, the wormhole links between the planets were able to change. That induced a redefinition of wormholes (entry points of wormhole links) as game objects that can open, close and move. I feel that hasn't been exploited enough yet and I hope that will be subject to mods because I really want to make that idea.

2) Vertices can disappear. The Nomad Beacon had the ability to destroy one planet (technically, remove one vertex from the graph), but with constraints: the graph must still be in one piece (or then, deus ex machina, didn't happen). That was to ensure the AI navigation logic can always find a path between any pair of planets in the galaxy.

I would love to see these mechanisms refined, especially the AI navigation logic, allowing it to handle unreachable destinations for temporally closed wormholes. For instance, I would love to see special galaxies with several separated pieces requiring the passage of a nomad planet to briefly (one to some hours) connect the parts. (The intragalactic warp gates would sure have some uses with that.) Or more simply, periodically closing/reopening wormholes. It would also be possible to expand on player's agency on the galactic map: more striking than a gate raid, the definitive closure of a wormhole link. Or the creation of a shortcut! (I might post that into "Latter Ideas".)

TL;DR:
Don't forget to let wormhole mechanisms moddable.
Is an improvement to let AI understand temporal unreachability feasible?
Please excuse my english: I'm not a native speaker. Don't hesitate to correct me.

Offline PokerChen

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Re: About wormholes and galaxy constraints
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2016, 05:01:38 PM »
+1.

The challenge is to avoid infinite loop behaviour forming when a destination is unreachable, and then update all relevant units when a valid path emerges.

I would see gateway raids and hacking goals as means to alter warp connections. Also, one of the logical AI surprise moves would be to destroy key wormhole connections to prevent humans from taking on their homeworld (Freelancer 2), or to trap them permanently and remove them as a credible threat.

Offline Toranth

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Re: About wormholes and galaxy constraints
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2016, 06:06:36 PM »
Sounds like fun, and also like a Traitor goodie (possibly an AI only one, like Mk V Forcefields).

And in addition to modifying the wormhole graph directly, what about the possibility of more different types of wormholes?
For example, new Small wormholes that only allow fleetships through - no Golems, Spirecraft, or Starships.  Paired with Turbulent wormholes, that ban fleetships, or deal a flat amount of damage to all units passing through them.
You could have unstable wormholes, that phase between usable and blocked on some cycle (even X minutes).
You could have one-way wormholes.  Ships check in, but don't check out!
Similar, you can have temporary one-way wormholes - After the last unit uses in to enter a system, you can't use the exit end until it's been unused for X seconds.
You could have cap-limited wormholes:  Only allow X units through at one time, with Y regenerating ever few seconds.