Author Topic: Why is every attack wave led by 3 fighters?  (Read 3117 times)

Offline keith.lamothe

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Re: Why is every attack wave led by 3 fighters?
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2011, 12:53:56 pm »
It's hard-coded.  The AI design principle is not to be 100% emergent; the etherjet "tow enemy ships away" behavior is hardcoded, for instance.
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Re: Why is every attack wave led by 3 fighters?
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2011, 01:06:32 pm »
But the AI taunting me when it blows up a command station, that was emergent, right?  :D

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Re: Why is every attack wave led by 3 fighters?
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2011, 01:10:34 pm »
I guess we could claim that the hardcoded part of the taunts is keeping it from saying what it _wants_ to say ;)
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Re: Why is every attack wave led by 3 fighters?
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2011, 01:12:23 pm »
Performance/coding effort/logic/fun tradeoff, innit?

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Re: Why is every attack wave led by 3 fighters?
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2011, 01:14:05 pm »
Performance/coding effort/logic/fun tradeoff, innit?

I see no problem!
Yea, that's basically it.

I mean, we could make it less of a cheese/micro thing by changing it from a 100% chance to send the lead fighters to a 50% chance to send those fighters and a 50% chance to send some sort of special autobombs that insta-kill stuff that's in low-power mode.

Something tells me that would not cause a net decrease in complaints ;)
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Re: Why is every attack wave led by 3 fighters?
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2011, 01:33:04 pm »
I mean, we could make it less of a cheese/micro thing by changing it from a 100% chance to send the lead fighters to a 50% chance to send those fighters and a 50% chance to send some sort of special autobombs that insta-kill stuff that's in low-power mode.

Something tells me that would not cause a net decrease in complaints ;)

Well, I won't complain if I get to build those ships too. Oh the AI has 200 ships in low power around that guard post? Hello cloaked assault force!

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Re: Why is every attack wave led by 3 fighters?
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2011, 01:34:17 pm »
Still waiting for you to implement a 'nuke-spammer' AI ..  8)

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Re: Why is every attack wave led by 3 fighters?
« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2011, 02:39:39 am »
I'd petitioned the devs for giving Neinzul Missile Silos a very small percent chance (1% or so) to deploy nukes, with something like a .01% chance to deploy a mk3 nuke, but they didn't like that idea.

Also, Scorched Earth can be counted as a "nuke spammer" AI, if you think about it.  Thankfully it only targets its own planets though.

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Re: Why is every attack wave led by 3 fighters?
« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2011, 07:28:41 am »
0.01% chance of getting MNOGO NUKED means that I die. In every game. Completely.

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Re: Why is every attack wave led by 3 fighters?
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2011, 05:55:53 pm »
Still waiting for you to implement a 'nuke-spammer' AI ..  8)

That sounds like a dreadful AI. I mean, like a tactic I would expect at 8.6 or something. Like the AI would only do it if it already lost a world, but it would first try to recapture a planet before even then. Since the Ai currently does not try to retake planets, it wouldn't really want to use nukes compared to EMPs and lightnings.
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Re: Why is every attack wave led by 3 fighters?
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2011, 11:16:29 am »
It's not an unworkable idea, mind you.

You could, for instance, have a new AI-only structure with a minimal spawn chance, which is automatically destroyed with the command station and which, upon destruction, causes a nuke to be launched through an adjacent wormhole.

Still not very friendly, mind you.