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Offline Tegga

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What should I set AI auto progress to?
« on: June 26, 2012, 03:02:51 pm »
Fairly newish to AI war, what should I set the auto progress to? I have all the expansions and playing at 7 difficulty and updated to 5.0035.

The suggestion tooltip says 1 per 5, it just seems really fast.  Should I get used to this or is that too high/low?

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Re: What should I set AI auto progress to?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2012, 03:08:42 pm »
IMO, that's really up to you. Personally, I don't like feeling rushed, so I usually play at very low to no AIP.

Whereas others like the idea of feeling like they really need to hurry. I say for the first game or two, set it to a slower pace, until you get a feel for what is more fun for you.

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Re: What should I set AI auto progress to?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2012, 03:13:26 pm »
IMO, that's really up to you. Personally, I don't like feeling rushed, so I usually play at very low to no AIP.

Whereas others like the idea of feeling like they really need to hurry. I say for the first game or two, set it to a slower pace, until you get a feel for what is more fun for you.

What do you set your time / increase to?  Also playing 120 planet realistic if it makes a difference

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Re: What should I set AI auto progress to?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2012, 03:20:34 pm »
The balance target for the game is around 1 AIP per 30 minutes; used to be 1 AIP per 5 minutes but not many people seemed keen on playing at that ;)
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Re: What should I set AI auto progress to?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2012, 03:29:17 pm »
The balance target for the game is around 1 AIP per 30 minutes; used to be 1 AIP per 5 minutes but not many people seemed keen on playing at that ;)

Thank you for responding; I was confused read on the wiki 1per30 and the tooltip said 1per5. 

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Re: What should I set AI auto progress to?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2012, 03:55:50 pm »
The balance target for the game is around 1 AIP per 30 minutes; used to be 1 AIP per 5 minutes but not many people seemed keen on playing at that ;)

Thank you for responding; I was confused read on the wiki 1per30 and the tooltip said 1per5.

Yea, the tooltip needs to be updated.

Actually, that would be a good one for mantis.

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Re: What should I set AI auto progress to?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2012, 04:34:54 pm »
I generally play with no time-based AI progress. While I am pretty slow (my games generally run upwards of 20-30 hours), I just don't need another source of AI Progress - I'm not terribly good at keeping it down anyway. Incidentally, I also never play with Spire Civilians (after having tried them once).

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Re: What should I set AI auto progress to?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2012, 05:19:59 pm »
With all the expansion features enabled, 1 AIP/30min is plenty for a starting player. There's more than enough going on with other stuff.

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Re: What should I set AI auto progress to?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2012, 07:07:57 pm »
Almost always playing without auto increase. There's a lot of other options to make the game more interesting (in my opinion).

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Re: What should I set AI auto progress to?
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2012, 08:57:14 am »
Normally I play at 1AIP/30minutes but I don't notice any difference (most games have lasted between 8 and 13 hours).
I seem to be able to get myself into trouble even without the AIP increase:

In my opinion the actions you take (and when you take them) define the pace of the game, not the AIP time penalty.
Since most events occur after fixed intervals (granted: some based on AIP) you never have the luxury of waiting for your economy to build up a surplus before rebuilding fleets/defences etc, so there is not a very great need for an extra time constraining factor.
You can however use it to make your game harder (1 AIP / 5 minutes sounds pretty hard).
« Last Edit: June 27, 2012, 09:47:26 am by barryvm »

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Re: What should I set AI auto progress to?
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2012, 09:26:57 am »
1 AIP/30 minutes is next to ignorable and an excellent value to start with to get a feel for how you handle that subtle pressure.  You'll see the message pop up that 1 AIP got added and it pushes you to keep moving.  Once you are comfortable with that, if you like something pushing you to stay on the offensive, 5 AIP/30 minutes is pretty noticeable and not something you want to try on a difficulty level you've never beaten.

Going above that is a serious increase in challenge.  The 30 minute increment makes the challenge more spikey, while increasing the frequency makes the threat curve smoother but I've found adds a degree of hopelessness to the pressure I don't find as fun.  I like bigger spikes of AIP at larger intervals.

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Re: What should I set AI auto progress to?
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2012, 03:56:10 pm »
Honestly if you feel like you're still learning how to play the game 1/30 or just no auto-increase seems fine.  I could see it adding a cool challenge, especially if you're inclined to play slowly and want to give yourself a challenge to make you hurry a bit, but it's so easy to get yourself overwhelmed without auto-increase that I don't think it's part of the core challenge of the game.

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Re: What should I set AI auto progress to?
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2012, 04:02:42 pm »
The very low AIP increases get you moving in the early game so you're not sitting around doing nothing forever, but don't affect the late game much if at all.  A setting that would affect the late game really wrecks you in the early game, so it's kind of a catch 22.

I've been tempted to drop in a 20/2 hours AIP Pressure increase and see how that would affect my gameplay.  Maybe 40/2 hours.  That'd get me out of the early game without getting hammered to bits but really push some AIP into the middle/late game.  First I need to see how my rematches go. :)
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Re: What should I set AI auto progress to?
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2012, 04:04:22 pm »
The very low AIP increases get you moving in the early game so you're not sitting around doing nothing forever, but don't affect the late game much if at all.  A setting that would affect the late game really wrecks you in the early game, so it's kind of a catch 22.

I've been tempted to drop in a 20/2 hours AIP Pressure increase and see how that would affect my gameplay.  Maybe 40/2 hours.  That'd get me out of the early game without getting hammered to bits but really push some AIP into the middle/late game.  First I need to see how my rematches go. :)

Oh come on, you beat AI 10/10 thrice by now (OK, the last time you were using multi-homeworld cheese, but still)
Bump it up to 100/1 minute.  :D

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Re: What should I set AI auto progress to?
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2012, 05:08:27 pm »
The very low AIP increases get you moving in the early game so you're not sitting around doing nothing forever, but don't affect the late game much if at all.  A setting that would affect the late game really wrecks you in the early game, so it's kind of a catch 22.

I've been tempted to drop in a 20/2 hours AIP Pressure increase and see how that would affect my gameplay.  Maybe 40/2 hours.  That'd get me out of the early game without getting hammered to bits but really push some AIP into the middle/late game.  First I need to see how my rematches go. :)

Oh come on, you beat AI 10/10 thrice by now (OK, the last time you were using multi-homeworld cheese, but still)
Bump it up to 100/1 minute.  :D

If we're counting, 4 times.  Once was the Fallen Spire 8 Homeworld 10/10 challenge... though that soaked the cheese of the Shield Ninny for no waves.  The Exos were enough, honestly.

Considering that the +40 AIP increased Zenith Dudes were pounding me flat I'm going to have to pass on that out of the gate increase.  :-[  I'm just not that good!   :'(
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