Tweak to the upper limit of the showdown device?

[Eternaly_Lost]

I think this picture says a lot here alone. To put this in perspective. I loaded the save before I activate both. Did showdown, saw that it sent that much by it self. Did the Exo trans, a lot smaller. Let the Exo Fleet get to just outside of the homeworld and kicked off the Showdown again.

They were quite solidly blown back 7 planets right now, and I am going to see if they can stay alive long enough to keep the AI off the showdown device worlds.

In about 3 minutes, I got




Here the event code of a wave after the EXO fleet is just outside of the AI's homeworld.

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Populating EventAttackArmada, 89968860 total points; Game Time: 15:58:58

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BattleGroup of 17993772 Points
FGType SubTier Tier CostEach Count TotalCost ReferenceOnly_StrengthEach ReferenceOnly_TotalStrength
AutocannonMinipod Medium Drone 16 4 64 3.92 15.67
AntiArmorShip Heavy Drone 24 2 48 6.4 12.8
AutocannonMinipodII Heavy Drone 24 2 48 7.84 15.67
FighterII Light Cutter 32 3 96 16 48
MissileShip Light Cutter 32 1 32 8 8
AntiArmorShipIII Medium Cutter 48 2 96 19.2 38.39
MissileShipII Medium Cutter 48 1 48 16 16
FighterIII Medium Cutter 48 1 48 24 24
Cruiser Heavy Cutter 64 1 64 24 24
BomberII Heavy Cutter 64 1 64 16 16
CoreAutocannonMinipod Heavy Cutter 64 1 64 19.59 19.59
FighterIV Heavy Cutter 64 1 64 32 32
ZenithBombardment Light Corvette 128 1 128 48 48
CruiserIV Light Corvette 128 1 128 32 32
Saboteur Light Corvette 128 1 128 19.2 19.2
CoreAntiArmorShip Light Corvette 128 1 128 31.99 31.99
SaboteurII Medium Corvette 192 1 192 38.4 38.4
ZenithBombardmentII Medium Corvette 192 2 384 96 192
SpireGravityDrainIII Medium Corvette 192 1 192 48 48
CoreBomber Heavy Corvette 256 1 256 40 40
SaboteurIII Heavy Corvette 256 1 256 57.6 57.6
ZenithBombardmentIII Heavy Corvette 256 1 256 144 144
SpireGravityDrainIV Heavy Corvette 256 1 256 64 64
ZenithElectricBomber Light Frigate 64 4 256 10.11 40.42
MunitionsBoosterII Light Frigate 64 3 192 20.21 60.63
SpireTractorPlatformII Heavy Frigate 128 5 640 76.8 384
ZenithElectricBomberIII Heavy Frigate 128 9 1152 30.32 272.84
MunitionsBoosterIV Heavy Frigate 128 1 128 40.42 40.42
LightStarship Light Destroyer 256 1 256 96 96
CoreMunitionsBooster Light Destroyer 256 1 256 50.53 50.53
ZenithElectricBomberIV Light Destroyer 256 3 768 40.42 121.26
SpireTractorPlatformIII Light Destroyer 256 1 256 115.2 115.2
AIGuardianSpider Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
AIGuardianBeam Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
AIGuardianSpireImplosion Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
AIGuardianStarshipDisassembler Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
AIGuardianLaser Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
FlagshipIII Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 288 576
AIGuardian_MunitionsBoosting Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
ZenithStarshipI Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 192 384
AIGuardianFlakII Light Cruiser 1024 1 1024 192 192
AIGuardianSpiderII Light Cruiser 1024 1 1024 192 192
AIGuardianGravityII Light Cruiser 1024 1 1024 192 192
AIGuardianArtilleryIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
DreadnoughtIV Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 384 384
SpirecraftImplosion Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 24 24
AIGuardian_NeedlerIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
BeamStarship Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 320 320
AIGuardianCarrierIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
BomberStarshipV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 480 960
AIGuardian_InfiltrationIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
SpirecraftImplosionII Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 64 128
AIGuardianBeamIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
AIGuardian_MLRSIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
SpirecraftSiegeTowerII Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 64 128
AIGuardianSpireImplosionIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
AIGuardianLaserIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
AIGuardian_InfiltrationV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
AIGuardianArtilleryV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
AIGuardianGravityV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
SpirecraftImplosionIII Light Battleship 4096 2 8192 144 288
ZenithStarshipV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 960 960
AISpirecraftShieldBearerIV Medium Battleship 6144 7 43008 192 1344
SpirecraftSiegeTowerIV Medium Battleship 6144 6 36864 384 2304
SpirecraftImplosionIV Medium Battleship 6144 2 12288 384 768
AIDireGuardian_Needler Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
AIDireGuardian_Tractor Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
SpirecraftSiegeTowerV Heavy Battleship 8192 2 16384 960 1920
SpirecraftImplosionV Heavy Battleship 8192 2 16384 960 1920
AIDireGuardian_Spider Heavy Battleship 8192 3 24576 4800 14400
AIDireGuardian_Gravity Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
ArtilleryGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 8 131072 2970 23760
RegeneratorGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 4 65536 2970 11880
ArmoredGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 4 65536 2970 11880
BlackWidowGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 4 65536 2970 11880
AIHunterKiller Heavy Dreadnought 32768 22 720896 3960 87120
AIHunterKillerIII Medium Mauler 98304 22 2162688 11880 261360
AIHunterKillerIV Heavy Mauler 131702 40 5268080 15840 633600
AIMothership Light Planetoid 262144 32 8388608 29700 950400
AIHunterKillerV Light Planetoid 262144 8 2097152 19800 158400
None None None 0 0 0 null null
None None None 0 0 0 null null
None None None 0 0 0 null null
Battlegroup actual budget spent: 19223952 on 276 ships (for reference that is 124728.12 strength).


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BattleGroup of 17993772 Points
FGType SubTier Tier CostEach Count TotalCost ReferenceOnly_StrengthEach ReferenceOnly_TotalStrength
AutocannonMinipod Medium Drone 16 4 64 3.92 15.67
AutocannonMinipodII Heavy Drone 24 2 48 7.84 15.67
Fighter Heavy Drone 24 1 24 8 8
AntiArmorShip Heavy Drone 24 1 24 6.4 6.4
FighterII Light Cutter 32 2 64 16 32
AutocannonMinipodIII Light Cutter 32 1 32 11.75 11.75
MissileShip Light Cutter 32 1 32 8 8
MissileShipII Medium Cutter 48 3 144 16 48
Bomber Medium Cutter 48 1 48 8 8
SpireGravityDrain Heavy Cutter 64 1 64 16 16
BomberII Heavy Cutter 64 2 128 16 32
CoreAutocannonMinipod Heavy Cutter 64 1 64 19.59 19.59
CoreAntiArmorShip Light Corvette 128 1 128 31.99 31.99
Saboteur Light Corvette 128 1 128 19.2 19.2
ZenithBombardment Light Corvette 128 2 256 48 96
BomberIV Medium Corvette 192 3 576 32 96
SpireGravityDrainIII Medium Corvette 192 1 192 48 48
CoreBomber Heavy Corvette 256 2 512 40 80
ZenithBombardmentIII Heavy Corvette 256 1 256 144 144
SaboteurIII Heavy Corvette 256 1 256 57.6 57.6
CoreSpireGravityDrain Light Frigate 64 1 64 80 80
ZenithElectricBomber Light Frigate 64 1 64 10.11 10.11
ZenithBombardmentIV Light Frigate 64 3 192 192 576
SaboteurIV Light Frigate 64 1 64 76.8 76.8
MunitionsBoosterII Light Frigate 64 1 64 20.21 20.21
ZenithElectricBomberIII Heavy Frigate 128 5 640 30.32 151.58
SpireTractorPlatformII Heavy Frigate 128 3 384 76.8 230.4
MunitionsBoosterIV Heavy Frigate 128 7 896 40.42 282.95
ZenithElectricBomberIV Light Destroyer 256 2 512 40.42 80.84
CoreMunitionsBooster Light Destroyer 256 1 256 50.53 50.53
SpireCorvette Light Destroyer 256 1 256 96 96
SpireTractorPlatformIII Light Destroyer 256 1 256 115.2 115.2
LightStarship Light Destroyer 256 1 256 96 96
AIGuardianLightning Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
AIGuardianSpireImplosion Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
RiotControlStarshipII Heavy Destroyer 512 6 3072 96 576
AIGuardian_Shield Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
AIGuardianSpider Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
AIGuardianLaser Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
AIGuardianRaiderII Light Cruiser 1024 1 1024 192 192
SpireCorvetteIV Light Cruiser 1024 1 1024 384 384
AIRaidStarshipIII Light Cruiser 1024 1 1024 192 192
AIGuardian_NeedlerIII Medium Cruiser 1536 2 3072 288 576
AIGuardianFlakIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
DreadnoughtIV Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 384 384
AIGuardianSpireImplosionIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
AIGuardian_MLRSIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
AIGuardian_ShieldIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
AIGuardianArtilleryIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
SpirecraftSiegeTowerII Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 64 128
AIGuardianSniperIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
CoreStarship Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 480 960
AIGuardian_NeedlerIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
SpirecraftImplosionII Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 64 128
SpireStarshipIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 768 1536
AIGuardian_WidowV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
ZenithStarshipV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 960 960
AIGuardianRaiderV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
AIGuardian_NeedlerV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
AIGuardianStarshipDisassemblerV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
AIGuardianSpireImplosionV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
AISpirecraftShieldBearerIV Medium Battleship 6144 7 43008 192 1344
SpirecraftSiegeTowerIV Medium Battleship 6144 6 36864 384 2304
SpirecraftImplosionIV Medium Battleship 6144 2 12288 384 768
AIDireGuardian_Laser Heavy Battleship 8192 2 16384 4800 9600
AIDireGuardian_Widow Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
AIDireGuardian_Infiltration Heavy Battleship 8192 2 16384 4800 9600
AIDireGuardian_Disassembler Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
AIDireGuardian_Needler Heavy Battleship 8192 2 16384 4800 9600
AIDireGuardian_Raider Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
AIDireGuardian_MLRS Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
BlackWidowGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 8 131072 2970 23760
ArtilleryGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 4 65536 2970 11880
ArmoredGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 8 131072 2970 23760
AIHunterKiller Heavy Dreadnought 32768 22 720896 3960 87120
AIHunterKillerIII Medium Mauler 98304 22 2162688 11880 261360
AIHunterKillerIV Heavy Mauler 131702 40 5268080 15840 633600
AIMothership Light Planetoid 262144 20 5242880 29700 594000
AIHunterKillerV Light Planetoid 262144 20 5242880 19800 396000
None None None 0 0 0 null null
None None None 0 0 0 null null
None None None 0 0 0 null null
None None None 0 0 0 null null
None None None 0 0 0 null null
None None None 0 0 0 null null
None None None 0 0 0 null null
Battlegroup actual budget spent: 19223952 on 276 ships (for reference that is 135285.08 strength).


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BattleGroup of 17993772 Points
FGType SubTier Tier CostEach Count TotalCost ReferenceOnly_StrengthEach ReferenceOnly_TotalStrength
AutocannonMinipod Medium Drone 16 4 64 3.92 15.67
AutocannonMinipodII Heavy Drone 24 4 96 7.84 31.34
FighterII Light Cutter 32 1 32 16 16
AutocannonMinipodIII Light Cutter 32 1 32 11.75 11.75
AntiArmorShipII Light Cutter 32 1 32 12.8 12.8
MissileShip Light Cutter 32 1 32 8 8
Bomber Medium Cutter 48 1 48 8 8
AutocannonMinipodIV Medium Cutter 48 1 48 15.67 15.67
FighterIII Medium Cutter 48 1 48 24 24
AntiArmorShipIII Medium Cutter 48 1 48 19.2 19.2
FighterIV Heavy Cutter 64 1 64 32 32
AntiArmorShipIV Heavy Cutter 64 2 128 25.59 51.19
BomberII Heavy Cutter 64 1 64 16 16
CoreFighter Light Corvette 128 1 128 40 40
CoreAntiArmorShip Light Corvette 128 2 256 31.99 63.98
BomberIII Light Corvette 128 1 128 24 24
SaboteurII Medium Corvette 192 1 192 38.4 38.4
ZenithBombardmentII Medium Corvette 192 1 192 96 96
SpireGravityDrainIII Medium Corvette 192 1 192 48 48
CoreBattleCruiser Medium Corvette 192 1 192 40 40
MunitionsBooster Heavy Corvette 256 1 256 10.11 10.11
CoreBomber Heavy Corvette 256 1 256 40 40
ZenithBombardmentIII Heavy Corvette 256 2 512 144 288
SaboteurIV Light Frigate 64 2 128 76.8 153.59
ZenithBombardmentIV Light Frigate 64 1 64 192 192
CoreSpireGravityDrain Light Frigate 64 1 64 80 80
ZenithElectricBomber Light Frigate 64 2 128 10.11 20.21
MunitionsBoosterII Light Frigate 64 1 64 20.21 20.21
ZenithElectricBomberIII Heavy Frigate 128 6 768 30.32 181.89
SpireTractorPlatformII Heavy Frigate 128 7 896 76.8 537.6
MunitionsBoosterIV Heavy Frigate 128 2 256 40.42 80.84
CoreMunitionsBooster Light Destroyer 256 1 256 50.53 50.53
ZenithElectricBomberIV Light Destroyer 256 1 256 40.42 40.42
SpireTractorPlatformIII Light Destroyer 256 3 768 115.2 345.6
SpireCorvette Light Destroyer 256 1 256 96 96
AIGuardianLightning Heavy Destroyer 512 4 2048 96 384
AIRaidStarshipII Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 128 256
AIGuardianLaser Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
AIGuardian_Shield Heavy Destroyer 512 4 2048 96 384
SpireStarshipI Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 192 384
BomberStarshipII Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 192 384
ZenithStarshipII Light Cruiser 1024 1 1024 384 384
AIGuardianStarshipDisassemblerII Light Cruiser 1024 1 1024 192 192
RiotControlStarshipIII Light Cruiser 1024 1 1024 144 144
SpirecraftImplosion Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 24 24
BeamStarship Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 320 320
ZinthStarship Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 576 576
BomberStarshipIV Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 384 384
AIGuardianSpireImplosionIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
AIGuardianRaiderIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
AIGuardianLaserIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
SpireStarshipIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 768 1536
AIGuardianSpiderIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
AIGuardian_ShieldIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
ZenithStarshipIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 768 1536
AIGuardian_InfiltrationIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 4 8192 384 1536
AIRaidStarshipV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 320 640
AIGuardianBeamV Light Battleship 4096 2 8192 480 960
AIGuardianFlakV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
AIGuardian_NeedlerV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
AIGuardian_PlasmaV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
AIGuardian_WidowV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
SpirecraftSiegeTowerIV Medium Battleship 6144 3 18432 384 1152
SpirecraftImplosionIV Medium Battleship 6144 6 36864 384 2304
AISpirecraftShieldBearerIV Medium Battleship 6144 6 36864 192 1152
SpirecraftImplosionV Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 960 960
AIDireGuardian_Infiltration Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
AIDireGuardian_Implosion Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
SpirecraftSiegeTowerV Heavy Battleship 8192 2 16384 960 1920
AIDireGuardian_MunitionsBoosting Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
AISpirecraftShieldBearerV Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 480 480
AIDireGuardian_Disassembler Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
AIDireGuardian_Artillery Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
AIDireGuardian_Gravity Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
ArmoredGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 8 131072 2970 23760
RegeneratorGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 6 98304 2970 17820
ArtilleryGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 4 65536 2970 11880
BlackWidowGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 2 32768 2970 5940
AIHunterKiller Heavy Dreadnought 32768 22 720896 3960 87120
AIHunterKillerIII Medium Mauler 98304 22 2162688 11880 261360
AIHunterKillerIV Heavy Mauler 131702 40 5268080 15840 633600
AIHunterKillerV Light Planetoid 262144 16 4194304 19800 316800
AIMothership Light Planetoid 262144 24 6291456 29700 712800
Battlegroup actual budget spent: 19223952 on 276 ships (for reference that is 135954.06 strength).


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BattleGroup of 17993772 Points
FGType SubTier Tier CostEach Count TotalCost ReferenceOnly_StrengthEach ReferenceOnly_TotalStrength
AutocannonMinipod Medium Drone 16 4 64 3.92 15.67
AutocannonMinipodII Heavy Drone 24 1 24 7.84 7.84
AntiArmorShip Heavy Drone 24 2 48 6.4 12.8
Fighter Heavy Drone 24 1 24 8 8
AntiArmorShipII Light Cutter 32 1 32 12.8 12.8
FighterII Light Cutter 32 3 96 16 48
AntiArmorShipIII Medium Cutter 48 1 48 19.2 19.2
MissileShipII Medium Cutter 48 1 48 16 16
Bomber Medium Cutter 48 1 48 8 8
FighterIII Medium Cutter 48 1 48 24 24
CoreAutocannonMinipod Heavy Cutter 64 3 192 19.59 58.77
Cruiser Heavy Cutter 64 1 64 24 24
SpireGravityDrainII Light Corvette 128 1 128 32 32
CruiserIV Light Corvette 128 1 128 32 32
CoreAntiArmorShip Light Corvette 128 1 128 31.99 31.99
CoreFighter Light Corvette 128 1 128 40 40
CoreBattleCruiser Medium Corvette 192 2 384 40 80
BomberIV Medium Corvette 192 1 192 32 32
SaboteurII Medium Corvette 192 1 192 38.4 38.4
ZenithBombardmentIII Heavy Corvette 256 1 256 144 144
MunitionsBooster Heavy Corvette 256 1 256 10.11 10.11
CoreBomber Heavy Corvette 256 1 256 40 40
SpireGravityDrainIV Heavy Corvette 256 1 256 64 64
SaboteurIV Light Frigate 64 5 320 76.8 383.98
MunitionsBoosterII Light Frigate 64 1 64 20.21 20.21
CoreSpireGravityDrain Light Frigate 64 1 64 80 80
MunitionsBoosterIV Heavy Frigate 128 4 512 40.42 161.68
SpireTractorPlatformII Heavy Frigate 128 5 640 76.8 384
ZenithElectricBomberIII Heavy Frigate 128 6 768 30.32 181.89
CoreMunitionsBooster Light Destroyer 256 2 512 50.53 101.05
LightStarship Light Destroyer 256 1 256 96 96
SpireTractorPlatformIII Light Destroyer 256 2 512 115.2 230.4
SpireCorvette Light Destroyer 256 1 256 96 96
SpireCorvetteIII Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 288 576
AIGuardianSpireImplosion Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
AIGuardianRaider Heavy Destroyer 512 4 2048 96 384
CoreSpireTractorPlatform Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 192 384
DreadnoughtII Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 192 384
AIGuardianBeam Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
AIGuardianStarshipDisassembler Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
DreadnoughtIII Light Cruiser 1024 1 1024 288 288
SpireCorvetteIV Light Cruiser 1024 1 1024 384 384
AIGuardianStarshipDisassemblerII Light Cruiser 1024 1 1024 192 192
SpirecraftImplosion Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 24 24
AIGuardianLightningIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
AIGuardianFlakIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
AIGuardianGravityIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
AIGuardianArtilleryIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
SpirecraftSiegeTower Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 24 24
AIRaidStarshipV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 320 640
SpireStarshipIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 768 1536
CoreStarship Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 480 960
SpirecraftSiegeTowerII Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 64 128
AIGuardianArtilleryIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
AIGuardian_PlasmaIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
AIGuardianTractorIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
AIGuardian_NeedlerIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
SpirecraftImplosionIII Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 144 144
AIGuardianFlakV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
AIGuardianGravityV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
SpireStarshipV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 960 960
AIGuardianStarshipDisassemblerV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
AISpirecraftShieldBearerIII Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 96 96
SpirecraftImplosionIV Medium Battleship 6144 6 36864 384 2304
SpirecraftSiegeTowerIV Medium Battleship 6144 5 30720 384 1920
AISpirecraftShieldBearerIV Medium Battleship 6144 4 24576 192 768
AIDireGuardian_Tractor Heavy Battleship 8192 2 16384 4800 9600
AIDireGuardian_Laser Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
AIDireGuardian_Disassembler Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
SpirecraftSiegeTowerV Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 960 960
AIDireGuardian_Sniper Heavy Battleship 8192 2 16384 4800 9600
AIDireGuardian_Widow Heavy Battleship 8192 2 16384 4800 9600
AIDireGuardian_MunitionsBoosting Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
RegeneratorGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 12 196608 2970 35640
BlackWidowGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 6 98304 2970 17820
ArmoredGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 2 32768 2970 5940
AIHunterKiller Heavy Dreadnought 32768 22 720896 3960 87120
AIHunterKillerIII Medium Mauler 98304 22 2162688 11880 261360
AIHunterKillerIV Heavy Mauler 131702 40 5268080 15840 633600
AIMothership Light Planetoid 262144 20 5242880 29700 594000
AIHunterKillerV Light Planetoid 262144 20 5242880 19800 396000
None None None 0 0 0 null null
None None None 0 0 0 null null
Battlegroup actual budget spent: 19223952 on 276 ships (for reference that is 131090.5 strength).


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BattleGroup of 17993772 Points
FGType SubTier Tier CostEach Count TotalCost ReferenceOnly_StrengthEach ReferenceOnly_TotalStrength
AutocannonMinipod Medium Drone 16 4 64 3.92 15.67
AutocannonMinipodII Heavy Drone 24 3 72 7.84 23.51
AntiArmorShip Heavy Drone 24 1 24 6.4 6.4
FighterII Light Cutter 32 1 32 16 16
AntiArmorShipII Light Cutter 32 2 64 12.8 25.59
MissileShip Light Cutter 32 1 32 8 8
Bomber Medium Cutter 48 1 48 8 8
MissileShipII Medium Cutter 48 1 48 16 16
FighterIII Medium Cutter 48 1 48 24 24
AutocannonMinipodIV Medium Cutter 48 1 48 15.67 15.67
CoreAutocannonMinipod Heavy Cutter 64 3 192 19.59 58.77
BomberII Heavy Cutter 64 1 64 16 16
BomberIII Light Corvette 128 1 128 24 24
Saboteur Light Corvette 128 1 128 19.2 19.2
ZenithBombardment Light Corvette 128 1 128 48 48
CoreAntiArmorShip Light Corvette 128 1 128 31.99 31.99
BomberIV Medium Corvette 192 1 192 32 32
ZenithBombardmentII Medium Corvette 192 1 192 96 96
SpireGravityDrainIII Medium Corvette 192 1 192 48 48
SaboteurII Medium Corvette 192 1 192 38.4 38.4
ZenithBombardmentIII Heavy Corvette 256 1 256 144 144
SpireGravityDrainIV Heavy Corvette 256 2 512 64 128
SaboteurIII Heavy Corvette 256 1 256 57.6 57.6
ZenithElectricBomber Light Frigate 64 4 256 10.11 40.42
CoreSpireGravityDrain Light Frigate 64 2 128 80 160
MunitionsBoosterII Light Frigate 64 1 64 20.21 20.21
SpireTractorPlatformII Heavy Frigate 128 7 896 76.8 537.6
MunitionsBoosterIV Heavy Frigate 128 7 896 40.42 282.95
ZenithElectricBomberIII Heavy Frigate 128 1 128 30.32 30.32
LightStarship Light Destroyer 256 1 256 96 96
SpireTractorPlatformIII Light Destroyer 256 2 512 115.2 230.4
CoreMunitionsBooster Light Destroyer 256 1 256 50.53 50.53
ZenithElectricBomberIV Light Destroyer 256 2 512 40.42 80.84
AIGuardianTractor Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
ZenithStarshipI Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 192 384
FlagshipIII Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 288 576
CoreSpireTractorPlatform Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 192 384
AIGuardian_Infiltration Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
SpireCorvetteIII Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 288 576
AIGuardianSniper Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
AIGuardianSpider Heavy Destroyer 512 2 1024 96 192
AIGuardianArtilleryII Light Cruiser 1024 1 1024 192 192
DreadnoughtIII Light Cruiser 1024 1 1024 288 288
FlagshipIV Light Cruiser 1024 1 1024 384 384
AIGuardian_MLRSIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
AIGuardian_PlasmaIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
AIGuardianArtilleryIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
AIGuardianFlakIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
AIGuardianSpiderIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
AIGuardianTractorIII Medium Cruiser 1536 1 1536 288 288
AISpirecraftShieldBearerII Heavy Cruiser 2048 4 8192 48 192
AIGuardian_InfiltrationIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 384 768
CoreStarship Heavy Cruiser 2048 4 8192 480 1920
AIRaidStarshipV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 320 640
SpireStarshipIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 768 1536
ZenithStarshipIV Heavy Cruiser 2048 2 4096 768 1536
AIGuardianLightningV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
AIGuardian_MunitionsBoostingV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
SpireStarshipV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 960 960
AIGuardianStarshipDisassemblerV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
AIGuardianFlakV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
AIGuardianSniperV Light Battleship 4096 1 4096 480 480
AISpirecraftShieldBearerIV Medium Battleship 6144 6 36864 192 1152
SpirecraftImplosionIV Medium Battleship 6144 6 36864 384 2304
SpirecraftSiegeTowerIV Medium Battleship 6144 3 18432 384 1152
AIDireGuardian_Shield Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
AIDireGuardian_Tractor Heavy Battleship 8192 3 24576 4800 14400
AIDireGuardian_Disassembler Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
AIDireGuardian_MunitionsBoosting Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
AIDireGuardian_Sniper Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
AIDireGuardian_Gravity Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 4800 4800
AISpirecraftShieldBearerV Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 480 480
SpirecraftImplosionV Heavy Battleship 8192 1 8192 960 960
ArtilleryGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 6 98304 2970 17820
RegeneratorGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 6 98304 2970 17820
ArmoredGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 6 98304 2970 17820
BlackWidowGolemAIAdvanced Light Dreadnought 16384 2 32768 2970 5940
AIHunterKiller Heavy Dreadnought 32768 22 720896 3960 87120
AIHunterKillerIII Medium Mauler 98304 22 2162688 11880 261360
AIHunterKillerIV Heavy Mauler 131702 40 5268080 15840 633600
AIHunterKillerV Light Planetoid 262144 28 7340032 19800 554400
AIMothership Light Planetoid 262144 12 3145728 29700 356400
None None None 0 0 0 null null
None None None 0 0 0 null null
None None None 0 0 0 null null
Battlegroup actual budget spent: 19223952 on 276 ships (for reference that is 135641.4 strength).


[Toranth]

2400 AIP?  114 planets?  Really?  No surprise 90,000,000 points of units spawn.  I'd love to see what'll happen if you can make it to the Final Exowave - will the AI even have enough Motherships in stock?

Although, you may be correct - that much strength for a mini-wave is, well, silly.

[Eternaly_Lost]

2400 AIP?  114 planets?  Really?  No surprise 90,000,000 points of units spawn.  I'd love to see what'll happen if you can make it to the Final Exowave - will the AI even have enough Motherships in stock?

Although, you may be correct - that much strength for a mini-wave is, well, silly.

Considering each of those mini-waves is large then the Force the AI builds up for when the Fallen Spire fleet shows up on it homeworld. I agree.

I can't even make it to the final exo wave. The AI groups of thousands of Hunter killers is too much even for The Exo fallen spire fleet that started outside of their homeworld. They blow past any defences I set up and pop the closest Showdown device world in about 12 minutes. Then head right to my homeworld to blow it up.

A Exo Spire wave comes up on it and just disappears.  If they did anything to the Hunter Killer legions, I could not see it.

Game over.

[The Hunter]

That's what happens when you make AI throw everything including kitchen sink at you.

[Draco18s]

Didja try Mk3 Nuking it?

[Eternaly_Lost]

Didja try Mk3 Nuking it?

Each wave has about 200 hunter killers and 140 Motherships, including other ships. These come every 60 seconds.

Sadly, They are immune to nukes.

[Lord Of Nothing]

I think this what this means is that Imperial Spire need a Mk25 mothership-sized buff. Something along the lines of devourer immunities...

[Fluffiest]

I think what this means is that the combination of Fallen Spire and Showdown Devices just doesn't work.

[chemical_art]

I think what this means is that the showdown devices are simply inferior to FS in almost every way.

[Fluffiest]

It must be really hard to balance something like Showdown Devices when you don't know in advance whether the player will have Golems, Spirecraft, and/or Fallen Spire capital ships. Kieth's solution was to ramp up the SD difficulty if Golems are on, again if Spirecraft are on, and again for each Spire city; creating a sort of rubber-band AI effect.

Ok, so it seems Fallen Spire stuff creates a more-than-usually insane Showdown response. Has anyone tried Showdown without any superweapons at all? No golems, no spirecraft, no FS? It may just be that the bonus the Showdown response gets for Fallen Spire is too large.

[Toranth]

Ok, so it seems Fallen Spire stuff creates a more-than-usually insane Showdown response. Has anyone tried Showdown without any superweapons at all? No golems, no spirecraft, no FS? It may just be that the bonus the Showdown response gets for Fallen Spire is too large.

Yeah, back during the beta I tried the SD a bunch of times.  When you play with no superweapons, or with only 1 active, the Showdown can be difficult, but it is entirely reasonable.  You just need to prepare.  The Final Exo is the only one that even might include an H/K at that level, and the smaller ones might not even include Golems.  Yeah, quick check says the Final Exowave in a no-superweapons game was 150,000 points.  Not 90,000,000.
FS seems to be the unbalancing factor more than anything else.  114 systems worth of FS?  Yeah, crazy multipliers there.

Did you try cheating?  Spawning a few thousand Golems + Spire Rams + SuperForts might help you live long enough to get to the Final Exowave.  I'm really curious, since I think that should end up being 10 times the points of the small Exowave.  The Large Exowave is 2x, I think.  In any case, I'm pretty sure you'll end up with more Motherships than fleetships in that galaxy.

[chemical_art]

The Final Exo is the only one that even might include an H/K at that level, and the smaller ones might not even include Golems.

You forgot the final constant though, the not one but two nuking super motherships.

I wonder how it is even possible to wreck them with no superweapons. It is hard enough wrecking motherships with a basic spire capital fleet.

[Lord Of Nothing]

I'd been wondering about that point on the GCS's myself- especially on lower difficulties. Perhaps they need to go modular, so their own strength can be scaled as well as their escorts, without taking away from the awesome power they should have on higher difficulty.

[Eternaly_Lost]

Ok, so it seems Fallen Spire stuff creates a more-than-usually insane Showdown response. Has anyone tried Showdown without any superweapons at all? No golems, no spirecraft, no FS? It may just be that the bonus the Showdown response gets for Fallen Spire is too large.

Yeah, back during the beta I tried the SD a bunch of times.  When you play with no superweapons, or with only 1 active, the Showdown can be difficult, but it is entirely reasonable.  You just need to prepare.  The Final Exo is the only one that even might include an H/K at that level, and the smaller ones might not even include Golems.  Yeah, quick check says the Final Exowave in a no-superweapons game was 150,000 points.  Not 90,000,000.
FS seems to be the unbalancing factor more than anything else.  114 systems worth of FS?  Yeah, crazy multipliers there.

Did you try cheating?  Spawning a few thousand Golems + Spire Rams + SuperForts might help you live long enough to get to the Final Exowave.  I'm really curious, since I think that should end up being 10 times the points of the small Exowave.  The Large Exowave is 2x, I think.  In any case, I'm pretty sure you'll end up with more Motherships than fleetships in that galaxy.

Any way to macro cheats? I need to spawn several thousand of each Fallen Spire ship to stand a chance. Fallen Friends Arise only gives one of each.

[The Hunter]

Any way to macro cheats? I need to spawn several thousand of each Fallen Spire ship to stand a chance. Fallen Friends Arise only gives one of each.

You can paste the line repeatedly as far as i know.