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The Zenith Remnant or Light of the Spire? ... or both?
« on: February 05, 2011, 08:42:16 am »
Said that ... I LOVE AI WAR... it is really something original and extremely challenging.

Now I'm on the way to buy "Light of the Spire" expansion. So... is there any good reason to buy also the other 2 expansion? Can AI WAR stand alone with only Light of the Spire. Are the content of the other 2 expansion worth buying them?

I know here you will tell me "OF COURSE IT'S WORTH" but I would really understand which are the expansion that I "must" get without compromise and which are the "extra" ones...

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Re: The Zenith Remnant or Light of the Spire? ... or both?
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2011, 10:12:34 am »
They can all stand alone really, even the core game, but I use all the expansions for the variety they add. All add several ship types that makes every game even more different if you want it to, and you get access to different AI Types as well.

Spire and Zenith are the two biggest, but Neinzul has some good stuff as well.
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Re: The Zenith Remnant or Light of the Spire? ... or both?
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2011, 10:22:54 am »
Base Game + LotS works just fine without TZR or CoN.

The nature of the game is that they "mix" well together in terms of the variety of possible bonus ship types (for you and the AI), variety of available starships, combinations of minor factions, etc.  But LotS is not at all "crippled" by the lack of the first two expansions.


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Re: The Zenith Remnant or Light of the Spire? ... or both?
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2011, 10:37:09 am »
It's all about having more options. I can tell you that with all three expansions it will be a long, long, time before you see everything the game can offer simply due to the minor faction options. I still await to hear of a 8.3 + game where someone had as many minor faction options on as possible because during that game so many, many different things would be occurring at once.
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Re: The Zenith Remnant or Light of the Spire? ... or both?
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2011, 11:08:42 am »
To run the game all you need is the basegame, still I will say you "need" all 3 expansions. They mix and match so nicelly you really should not take the fun away because of a few bucks (+you even do charity :)).

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Re: The Zenith Remnant or Light of the Spire? ... or both?
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2011, 11:48:55 am »
Essentially, expansions add new content into AI War without really changing how the game is played.  It's like eating:  adding more sauces and such.
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Re: The Zenith Remnant or Light of the Spire? ... or both?
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2011, 11:50:19 am »
Essentially, expansions add new content into AI War without really changing how the game is played.  It's like eating:  adding more sauces and such.
Well, sometimes it's like adding salmon next to the t-bone, but yea ;)
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Re: The Zenith Remnant or Light of the Spire? ... or both?
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2011, 01:10:32 pm »
Thanks! I'm tempted to buy all... also to support the dev team ;) for the great job done!

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Re: The Zenith Remnant or Light of the Spire? ... or both?
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2011, 02:33:48 pm »
Thanks! I'm tempted to buy all... also to support the dev team ;) for the great job done!

I think all of them is worth it, just for all the options and different things that the AI can do. :)

I have already had some interesting mixes with several of the expansions in my current games already, like my spire teleport leeches countering AI zenith sentinel frigates fairly effectively ;)



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Re: The Zenith Remnant or Light of the Spire? ... or both?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2011, 02:56:19 pm »
I know here you will tell me "OF COURSE IT'S WORTH" but I would really understand which are the expansion that I "must" get without compromise and which are the "extra" ones...

The wiki has pages summarizing what's in each expansion:
http://www.arcengames.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=AI_War_-_Light_of_the_Spire
http://www.arcengames.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=AI_War_-_The_Zenith_Remnant
http://www.arcengames.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=AI_War_-_Children_of_Neinzul

So you can look over each and see what appeals most to you.

I think they're all worthwhile, but in order of preference I'd pick LotS, ZR, then CoN.

Also, I haven't seen in mentioned yet, but Impulse is having a BIG sale on all AI War stuff (except LotS).  So AI War itself is only $7.99, ZR is only $3.99 and CoN is only $1.99.  At those prices, gettng all 3 expansions is pretty affordable.

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Re: The Zenith Remnant or Light of the Spire? ... or both?
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2011, 03:44:49 pm »
All of the expansions interact with the base game in really interesting ways, lots of emergent gameplay. AI War is kind of like Rogue-Likes in that regard and the expansions really enhance and boost this aspect of the game. They've all received a lot of polish and will continue to be refined if Arcen's track record is any indication of what the future of AI War holds. So they all represent great value. Arcen doesn't do anything in a "fire and forget" manner.

That said, I'm going to take a moment to plug Children of Neinzul, especially since LotS is getting a lot of spotlight. The Neinzul units add a lot to the game for me. I just love the Roaming Enclave and Preservation Warden minor factions (I haven't had the guts to add Neinzul Rocketry Corp yet, that sounds pretty intense) they add a really fun element of chaos (for both the player and the AI). And the Neinzul units are a lot of fun and interesting to use in their own right, if a little challenging because of their life-cycle. The Hybrid Hives AI Plot really makes things interesting as well. This fusion of AI and Neinzul can recolonize cleared AI planets, for instance.

It's not as expensive as the other two expansions, giving you a chance to see how the expansions work with the base game for less investment. Also, all the profits from CoN get donated to Child's Play, a really amazing charity that not only helps people but shows the world that gamers are compassionate people and not some kind of ridiculous, brofisting stereotype.

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Re: The Zenith Remnant or Light of the Spire? ... or both?
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2011, 03:55:54 pm »
This fusion of AI and Neinzul can recolonize cleared AI planets, for instance.
That was planned, but didn't happen.  It's still planned, but hasn't happened yet ;)

But Hybrids do bring a very different sort of AI to the table.
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Re: The Zenith Remnant or Light of the Spire? ... or both?
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2011, 04:10:08 pm »
Oh, I thought that one had gotten implemented. My mistake, obviously. I haven't used them with the Advance Hybrids option yet, because I wasn't really sure I was ready to deal with that yet. I think it's a great idea for an advanced feature though and that's why I mentioned it. So hopefully it'll show up one day. Still, they are plenty interesting without that feature (read, still kick my butt).

There's so much going on in the fine detail of this game it's hard to keep track of some times. That's not a complaint though. It's a testament to how good your game is, in my opinion. While playing AI War, I find myself thinking about big picture and not having to fiddle around too much. That is an incredible accomplishment with this much detail and action. I'm sure I'll be playing this ten years from now.

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Re: The Zenith Remnant or Light of the Spire? ... or both?
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2011, 08:18:49 pm »
I'm really looking forward to the "advanced hybrids recolonize" option as well. Get right on that Keith, it's not like you're busy or anything.  :P

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Re: The Zenith Remnant or Light of the Spire? ... or both?
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2011, 08:30:07 pm »
I'm really looking forward to the "advanced hybrids recolonize" option as well. Get right on that Keith, it's not like you're busy or anything.  :P
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