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Offline rabican

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Sentinel frigates refuse to target some ships
« on: March 06, 2012, 05:35:27 am »
Sentinel frigates can't shoot at  Starships(guardians are fair game). They also can't shoot at guard posts(any other ai structure is fair game, and for some reason special force guard posts are shootable ).

I can  see why they shouldn't be able to attack guard posts with infinite range, but it should be consistant(can kill forts and commandcenters and stuff just fine) and menitoned somewhere.

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Re: Sentinel frigates refuse to target some ships
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2012, 08:16:58 am »
I'd say that the Radar Dampening ability (can't shoot me unless inside X range) has a grudge against your frigates  :)

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Re: Sentinel frigates refuse to target some ships
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2012, 09:20:34 am »
Yep, Radar Dampening strikes again :)  It's mentioned on the tooltips of the guard posts, etc.
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Re: Sentinel frigates refuse to target some ships
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2012, 09:28:40 am »
Poor special forces guard posts... always getting taken out by stray shots... :'(  I can't seem to keep them alive no matter how hard I try.

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Re: Sentinel frigates refuse to target some ships
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2012, 09:33:53 am »
One, as Zenith sentinel frigates have infinite range, they are considered snipers. As such, all sniper immune ships are immune to sentinel frigates.
Two, do the sentinel frigates not have radar dampening immunity? I thought all snipers had radar dampening immunity. Though I am thankful for a counter mechanic to these very annoying fleet ships when in AI hands.

Offline Hearteater

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Re: Sentinel frigates refuse to target some ships
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2012, 10:03:29 am »
Some snipers have Radar Dampening Immunity, but not all.  Specifically the following units have Radar Dampening Immunity:

Turrets
Sniper Turret
Spider Turret

Modules
Railgun

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Counter Spy
Ion Cannon
Orbital Mass Driver
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Re: Sentinel frigates refuse to target some ships
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2012, 01:56:19 pm »
One, as Zenith sentinel frigates have infinite range, they are considered snipers. As such, all sniper immune ships are immune to sentinel frigates.
Two, do the sentinel frigates not have radar dampening immunity? I thought all snipers had radar dampening immunity. Though I am thankful for a counter mechanic to these very annoying fleet ships when in AI hands.

Artillery golems are probably the exception to that--they can snipe everything with their artillery ammunition, regardless of dampening. 
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Re: Sentinel frigates refuse to target some ships
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2012, 02:41:06 pm »
yeah artillery golems got the radar dampening immunity buff quite recently. It was one of the 2 changes to the artillery golem to make it more useful.

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Re: Sentinel frigates refuse to target some ships
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2012, 05:33:37 pm »
There is another unit that ignores radar dampening in effect:

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Re: Sentinel frigates refuse to target some ships
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2012, 07:03:52 pm »
There is another unit that ignores radar dampening in effect:

Spire Blade Spawners
Yea, the blades are separate units and don't home in by radar.  They home in by the scent of blood ;)
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Re: Sentinel frigates refuse to target some ships
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2012, 12:22:04 pm »
Poor special forces guard posts... always getting taken out by stray shots... :'(  I can't seem to keep them alive no matter how hard I try.

There's a case to be made there for treating SFGP's the same way Command Stations and Warp Gates are for targeting purposes.

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Re: Sentinel frigates refuse to target some ships
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2012, 12:38:42 pm »

There's a case to be made there for treating SFGP's the same way Command Stations and Warp Gates are for targeting purposes.
Used to be so, iirc, but we were asked to change it :)
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Re: Sentinel frigates refuse to target some ships
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2012, 06:28:41 am »
Poor special forces guard posts... always getting taken out by stray shots... :'(  I can't seem to keep them alive no matter how hard I try.

There's a case to be made there for treating SFGP's the same way Command Stations and Warp Gates are for targeting purposes.

Zharmad and Volatar, see the feature I've just suggested on Mantis, Add "Auto-target Special Forces Guard Posts" option to Controls Window.
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Re: Sentinel frigates refuse to target some ships
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2012, 09:44:08 am »
As I commented on the mantis issue, I think the downside of keeping a SFGP alive needs to be revisited if they are made easier to keep up.  At present there is almost never a reason to destroy them, except for the fact that you can't reasonably keep them alive so you might as well knock them out.

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Re: Sentinel frigates refuse to target some ships
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2012, 06:40:10 am »
What is this Radar Dampening ability? How it works? I have not find info about it on wiki.