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Offline Chthon

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Sabotaging Ship Designs
« on: November 07, 2013, 06:07:22 am »
I sabotaged a ship design for Zenith Bombards earlier. (AI 2)  I noticed that reinforcements still often came with these ships. (mk I-IV)  I then noticed another planet has another backup for the same design, however it's the other AI's planet. (AI 1)

Do I have to sabotage both back-up servers to get the bombards removed from reinforcements/attacks completely?
Did I notice it right that they do not spawn as reinforcements on AI 2 planets any longer or is that a coincidence?
If the answer to the above are yes, couldn't it be made a bit clearer on the design corrupter about these facts?

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Re: Sabotaging Ship Designs
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2013, 10:57:31 am »
Each AI has their own unlocks and maintains their own backup servers.

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Re: Sabotaging Ship Designs
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2013, 12:14:15 pm »
That may be true, but both AIs produced bombards at one of AI 1's worlds, while not doing the same on AI 2's worlds.  If it is simply that AI 2 shouldn't have them now, then why would I still see a mix of AI 1 and AI 2 bombards reinforcing AI 1's worlds?  Is this an error in the game?

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Re: Sabotaging Ship Designs
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2013, 01:02:46 pm »
Ships spawned before your hack are uneffected.  Without logs or hard evidence to the fact that those ships did not exist after your hack and now do exist, I cannot answer your question.

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Re: Sabotaging Ship Designs
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2013, 01:17:42 pm »
I was clearly seeing these ships come from the command station.  In both purple (AI 1) and green (AI 2).  This was after clearing all ships from the system.

After the hack I had specifically gone on a quest to kill all bombards hoping to never have to see them in AI hands.  It wasn't till about an hour later I found the second backup server.  During this time I had noticed the reinforcements with bombards and was confused as to the status.  After seeing the second one it took me about 15 minutes to realize the new one was purple, but I still saw green bombards spawning on purple worlds.

Only thing I can think of is since both AIs can reinforce any AI planet, in order to make it more straight forward and easy to understand for the player, the ban is for a certain AI's worlds, not for a certain AI's reinforcements.  Otherwise a player might still see that ship type reinforcing every world and not notice which AI was actually reinforcing it.

Still, I feel that the tool tip is misleading.  It makes no mention of the fact that each AI keeps separate backups, or that it affects any AI's ships spawned at that AI's worlds and not that AI's ability to reinforce anywhere.

I will see if I can get screenshots of this later when I pick back up the game.  As for whether or not these ships existed before, I know those will remain.  That is in fact mentioned in the tooltip.

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Re: Sabotaging Ship Designs
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2013, 06:03:39 pm »
Just a follow-up:

I picked up the same save game last night.  I could not get this behavior to reproduce.  However now Purple has started reinforcing Green's worlds with Bombards.  I might have been seeing strategic reserves get pulled in, as Mk V/Core ships aren't affected, and I did do a short deep strike at one point.

If I encounter what I thought I saw again, I will take screenshots of it, and repost them in this thread.  However for now it seems to be working the way I'd expect.