Prerelease/Expans 2.001R (Core Fabricators, Zenith Power Gens, Font+)

[AcidWeb]

No surprise.

MONO don`t work.

[x4000]

No surprise.

MONO don`t work.

Yeah, go figure.  Well, hopefully it won't be too long before WINE has improved to the point where the game is workable.  It sounds like a number of steps in the right direction, at least!

[RCIX]

Right, silly question.
You mention that core fabricator can build a random core unit.. Why not a random core unit that you can build mk3 of?

I'm not quite sure what you mean.  Core ships = Mark V ships.  So having Mark III Mark V ships doesn't make much sense to me.

He means that it would only fabricate core versions of ships that you've already researched, like you can only build mkIV ships that you've researched the mkIII versions of.

[x4000]

Right, silly question.
You mention that core fabricator can build a random core unit.. Why not a random core unit that you can build mk3 of?

I'm not quite sure what you mean.  Core ships = Mark V ships.  So having Mark III Mark V ships doesn't make much sense to me.

He means that it would only fabricate core versions of ships that you've already researched, like you can only build mkIV ships that you've researched the mkIII versions of.

Right, see our later discussion: http://arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,2561.msg16025.html#msg16025

[x4000]

Oh, and yeah -- new version: http://arcengames.com/forums/index.php/topic,2581.0.html

[Cintia]

-Turrets can no longer have their munitions boosted or their shields boosted, but they are now immune to minor electric shots and blades.

Oh ow, there goes my AI10 game strategy which was going so well
Does this mean boosts only from munition boosters or also from the starships "attack bonus" feat?

[x4000]

-Turrets can no longer have their munitions boosted or their shields boosted, but they are now immune to minor electric shots and blades.

Oh ow, there goes my AI10 game strategy which was going so well
Does this mean boosts only from munition boosters or also from the starships "attack bonus" feat?

That means both, as internally they are the same effect.  Sorry about the strategy there!  It was definitely an overpowered situation, though.

[Cintia]

That means both, as internally they are the same effect.  Sorry about the strategy there!  It was definitely an overpowered situation, though.

Yeah I don't mind the change. Because now I don't "have to have" munition boosters at the start and can focus on some more fun 'interactive' ships instead.

Still, I will miss my massive turret domes all with x5 power.  

Though I do think it should work with starships. I kinda liked used the beginner starships as turret boosters (while being a decent turret themselves). They are so massive it's impossible to abuse.

[x4000]

Munitions boosting is just an ability, I can't differentiate between which ships it works from without splitting it into two abilities.  I think that that then gets into territory that is too complex for its own good, in this case; and I'm not positive that the starships can't be used to abuse that, anyway.  Cool screenshot!

[Cintia]

Munitions boosting is just an ability, I can't differentiate between which ships it works from without splitting it into two abilities.  I think that that then gets into territory that is too complex for its own good, in this case; and I'm not positive that the starships can't be used to abuse that, anyway.  Cool screenshot!

Thanks. It saves just a little bit of space when you place units like that, which really benefits when using munition boosters.

Now that the bonus is gone I can go back to the old tactic, ie: "Control Shift Click-click-click". Which really isn't all that bad since it now saves me time and adds a more random/less structured feel to the game. Afterall, who cares about space effeciency in.... "space".

[RCIX]

When i first saw that screenshot i thought it was some sort of solar array unit...

[Cintia]

X4000, I'm using the 2.001U version and my flagships starships still give bonuses to turrets (while Light Starships don't). Is this supposed to be this way?

[x4000]

X4000, I'm using the 2.001U version and my flagships starships still give bonuses to turrets (while Light Starships don't). Is this supposed to be this way?

Hmm... I really doubt there is any difference between the two starship types -- I suspect the difference would be between the turret types, if that's what it is.  The munitions boosting ability is just one thing that all the starships toggle on, but the immunity to that is turned on per-turret.  What type of turrets are still receiving the bonuses?

[Cintia]

Mark II Missle turrets for sure.

Maybe some others as well but can't say for sure. I'll test it some more when my friend and I continue playing.

[x4000]

Okay, thanks, I'll check it out!