Poll

Which AI modifiers/plots do you use?

Schizophrenic Waves
23 (10.8%)
Half/Double Waves
5 (2.4%)
Nuclear Command
3 (1.4%)
No Waves
3 (1.4%)
Reveal Random AI Types
34 (16%)
No Wave Warnings
4 (1.9%)
Cross Planet Waves
9 (4.2%)
Auto AI Progress
27 (12.7%)
Avenger
23 (10.8%)
Hybrid Hives
31 (14.6%)
Advanced Hybrids
22 (10.4%)
Astro Trains
16 (7.5%)
Beachheads
11 (5.2%)
I do not use AI modifiers
0 (0%)
I do not use AI plots
1 (0.5%)

Total Members Voted: 0

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Offline TechSY730

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Re: Poll: Which AI modifiers/plots do you use?
« Reply #75 on: November 02, 2012, 12:26:10 pm »
I've stated multiple times that schizo waves are easier than mono waves, and you keep implying the reverse.

I assume you meant the reverse as in he was implying you were suggesting it was harder, rather than reverse as in he was implying that is was harder.

Just pointing out that there is an ambiguity of what part of the sentence that "reverse" is relative to.

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Re: Poll: Which AI modifiers/plots do you use?
« Reply #76 on: November 02, 2012, 12:28:23 pm »
I've stated multiple times that schizo waves are easier than mono waves, and you keep implying the reverse.

I assume you meant the reverse as in he was implying you were suggesting it was harder, rather than reverse as in he was implying that is was harder.

Just pointing out that there is an ambiguity of what part of the sentence that "reverse" is relative to.

Rephrasing.

I've stated multiple times that "schizo waves are easier than mono waves," and you keep implying that I've said the reverse.

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Re: Poll: Which AI modifiers/plots do you use?
« Reply #77 on: November 02, 2012, 12:35:47 pm »
I've stated multiple times that "schizo waves are easier than mono waves," and you keep implying that I've said the reverse.
I'm implying your reading comprehension is poor.

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Re: Poll: Which AI modifiers/plots do you use?
« Reply #78 on: November 02, 2012, 12:48:26 pm »
My suggestion is making waves smarter instead of arguing more about schizos.

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Re: Poll: Which AI modifiers/plots do you use?
« Reply #79 on: November 02, 2012, 12:52:47 pm »
I've stated multiple times that "schizo waves are easier than mono waves," and you keep implying that I've said the reverse.
I'm implying your reading comprehension is poor.

So I skipped wasting time arguing about nothing, and wanted to determine if you even understood that the current Schizo waves were easier.  Which clearly caused confusion.  It has already been explained why Schizo waves are easier in this thread, more than once, by myself, TechSY730 and Keith.  At minimum.  I may be forgetting someone.  So if you don't understand that, just back up and check that out.

Read "I wanted to determine if you understood that schizo waves are easier.  It has been stated several times, by many people.  If you don't understand that, leave."

Earlier in the thread:

Schizo waves aren't harder, I never said they were.
Schizo waves aren't harder
Schizo waves are not harder
not harder

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Re: Poll: Which AI modifiers/plots do you use?
« Reply #80 on: November 02, 2012, 01:04:17 pm »
My suggestion is making waves smarter instead of arguing more about schizos.
Part of the problem with making things "smarter" is it is very hard to do without being abusable by a human.  For example, your Phase 1 tells me: 1) there will be minimal wave diversity once my defenses are set, 2) I get to control wave composition.  So once I figure out what combination of defenses to build that counter the AI's "smart" response, that's it, I've beaten waves.  Unlike at present, where I need to be able to handle a max-time wave of each ship type available to the AI.

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Re: Poll: Which AI modifiers/plots do you use?
« Reply #81 on: November 02, 2012, 01:11:46 pm »
My suggestion is making waves smarter instead of arguing more about schizos.
Part of the problem with making things "smarter" is it is very hard to do without being abusable by a human.  For example, your Phase 1 tells me: 1) there will be minimal wave diversity once my defenses are set, 2) I get to control wave composition.  So once I figure out what combination of defenses to build that counter the AI's "smart" response, that's it, I've beaten waves.  Unlike at present, where I need to be able to handle a max-time wave of each ship type available to the AI.

Good point.

This sort of scheme will need to be tempered with a good deal of randomization to prevent "mind gaming" the AI into being easily manipulable.

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Re: Poll: Which AI modifiers/plots do you use?
« Reply #82 on: November 02, 2012, 01:22:33 pm »
Having it have a 10% chance of "smart wave" isn't a bad thing, but yea, anything that the player can influence will be cheesed worse than what that guy did in skyrim with the thousands of cheesewheels.
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Re: Poll: Which AI modifiers/plots do you use?
« Reply #83 on: November 02, 2012, 01:22:40 pm »
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No one plays with Beachheads turned on. Beachheads make the game harder. Playing without Beachheads is cheese.
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Re: Poll: Which AI modifiers/plots do you use?
« Reply #84 on: November 02, 2012, 01:29:52 pm »
It's Hearteater vs Draco18s, on pay-per-view! (oh, wait, the forums are free, hmm).
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I read it like they are acting out a "Who's on first" adaptation.

But I can't figure out if it is on purpose.
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Re: Poll: Which AI modifiers/plots do you use?
« Reply #85 on: November 02, 2012, 01:55:27 pm »
Having it have a 10% chance of "smart wave" isn't a bad thing, but yea, anything that the player can influence will be cheesed worse than what that guy did in skyrim with the thousands of cheesewheels.

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Re: Poll: Which AI modifiers/plots do you use?
« Reply #86 on: November 02, 2012, 02:05:38 pm »
itwas paintbrushes in tes4.. calipers mightve also done it, but paintbrushes were easier to find
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Re: Poll: Which AI modifiers/plots do you use?
« Reply #87 on: November 02, 2012, 02:06:20 pm »
Better with cheese then with paintbrushes (or was it calipers...)
Anything is better than cheese.
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Re: Poll: Which AI modifiers/plots do you use?
« Reply #88 on: November 02, 2012, 02:12:26 pm »
I'm rather surprised at the poll results.  More people play with Hybrids than Auto AIP?

Wow.

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Re: Poll: Which AI modifiers/plots do you use?
« Reply #89 on: November 02, 2012, 02:47:25 pm »
I'm rather surprised at the poll results.  More people play with Hybrids than Auto AIP?

Wow.
Someone plays without Hybrids?
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