Poll: Aim the Nerfbat of Damocles: AI-side (II)

[Lancefighter]

Wait, so spire railgun munitions arent consider snipers? Despite having inf range and acting like a sniper shot? I am confused.

Also, emps are 2aip, but yeah, I cleared out part of it with an emp.The rest will wait until after I get around to caring about that half of the galaxy. Still over a thousand there (enough to alpha enough of the fleet to make it really bad..)

[keith.lamothe]

Wait, so spire railgun munitions arent consider snipers? Despite having inf range and acting like a sniper shot? I am confused.

If it has infinite range, then its a sniper shot.  Several railgun/railcannon types don't have infinite range.  But now that I realize which ones you mean; yea, those do.

Also, emps are 2aip, but yeah, I cleared out part of it with an emp.The rest will wait until after I get around to caring about that half of the galaxy. Still over a thousand there (enough to alpha enough of the fleet to make it really bad..)

Ah, right, 2 AIP.  I never really noticed when using it to prime something actually-dangerous for disassembly by spirefleet

[Lancefighter]

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Doing Special Forces Spawn; Game Time: 11:55:03
baseSizeFactor = 30
specialDifficultyFactor = Game.Instance.Options.TotalSpecialDifficultyModifier (based on difficulty, homeworld count, handicap) = 1.8
effectiveAIP = 450
aiTypeMultiplier = (1 + 2 per Special Forces Captain AI) = 1
specialForcesPostsInNonAITerritoryMultiplier = Mat.One + ( FInt.FromParts( 0, 050 ) * numberOfSpecialForcesPostsInNonAITerritory ) = 1
specialForcesStrengthCap = baseSizeFactor * difficultyFactor * effectiveAIP * aiTypeMultiplier * specialForcesPostsInNonAITerritoryMultiplier = 24297.36
strengthMissing = specialForcesStrengthCap - totalExistingSpecialForcesStrength = 23525.34
percentMissing = strengthMissing / specialForcesStrengthCap = 0.97
maxNumberOfSecondsToSpawn196Strength = ( ( 196 * 300 ) / specialForcesStrengthCap ) * 60 = 145.2
actualNumberOfSecondsToSpawn196Strength = maxNumberOfSecondsToSpawn196Strength - ( ( maxNumberOfSecondsToSpawn196Strength / 2 ) * percentMissing ) = 74.92
strengthToSpawn = (FInt)( secondsPerSpawnCheck * 196 ) / actualNumberOfSecondsToSpawn196Strength = 164.82
strengthToSpawn = Min(strengthToSpawn,strengthMissing) = 164.82
allocating 0.24 out of 1 (39.84 strength) for role: None , eligible types:MissileShipII, RaiderII, NeinzulScapegoatII
allocating 0.51 out of 1 (84.42 strength) for role: AntiBomber , eligible types:FighterII, MicroFighterII, AcidSprayerII, BulletproofFighterII
allocating 0.14 out of 1 (22.77 strength) for role: LongRange , eligible types:ZenithBombardmentII, SpiderII
allocating 0 out of 1 (0 strength) for role: CopperPlatedBastard , eligible types:
allocating 0 out of 1 (0 strength) for role: Tractor , eligible types:
allocating 0 out of 1 (0 strength) for role: Gravity , eligible types:
allocating 0 out of 1 (0 strength) for role: Reclamator , eligible types:
allocating 0.11 out of 1 (17.7 strength) for role: DefenseCracker , eligible types:BomberII
actually bought:
9 MissileShipII @ 2 each, so total for line = 18
7 NeinzulScapegoatII @ 2 each, so total for line = 14
8 RaiderII @ 0.98 each, so total for line = 7.84
15 BulletproofFighterII @ 2.18 each, so total for line = 32.72
7 FighterII @ 2 each, so total for line = 14
9 AcidSprayerII @ 2 each, so total for line = 18
16 MicroFighterII @ 1.33 each, so total for line = 21.33
4 SpiderII @ 2 each, so total for line = 8
2 ZenithBombardmentII @ 8 each, so total for line = 16
9 BomberII @ 2 each, so total for line = 18
Grand total: 86 ships, 167.89 strength
Looks like the bombards are valued at what I would imagine is a similar per-cap ratio. Ill leave it running a bit longer, as I recently cleared the entire SF group with a mk2 emp, and see what happens.

I found these lines kinda interesting.. (light water and shore of infinity are two of my spire city defense planets)

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Rejecting excessive human-firepower planet Light Water, math breakdown:
planet.HumanMilitaryFirepowerSim:2728186
humanFirepowerMustBeThisHighToCountAsBlockingPlanet:569
( ( planet.AttackingShipsFirepowerSim + planet.ThreatShipsFirepowerSim ) / 2 ):0
humanFirepowerMustBeThisLowToBeAttackable:2849
Rejecting excessive human-firepower planet Split Fire, math breakdown:
planet.HumanMilitaryFirepowerSim:14609364
humanFirepowerMustBeThisHighToCountAsBlockingPlanet:569
( ( planet.AttackingShipsFirepowerSim + planet.ThreatShipsFirepowerSim ) / 2 ):0
humanFirepowerMustBeThisLowToBeAttackable:2849
Rejecting excessive human-firepower planet Shore of Infinity, math breakdown:
planet.HumanMilitaryFirepowerSim:2281480
humanFirepowerMustBeThisHighToCountAsBlockingPlanet:569
( ( planet.AttackingShipsFirepowerSim + planet.ThreatShipsFirepowerSim ) / 2 ):0
humanFirepowerMustBeThisLowToBeAttackable:2849
No accessible eligible targets, so rallying in AI space on planet Spring Of Belief


[keith.lamothe]

Looks like the bombards are valued at what I would imagine is a similar per-cap ratio. Ill leave it running a bit longer, as I recently cleared the entire SF group with a mk2 emp, and see what happens.

Yea, each bombard cost 4x as much as the fighters, etc.  Sounds right by the caps, iirc.

I found these lines kinda interesting.. (light water and shore of infinity are two of my spire city defense planets)

Those are actually from the threatfleet logic and don't apply to the SF ships.  The SF logfile contains SF, Strategic Reserve, and Threatfleet logging to keep the number of files down since it'd been mentioned that there were quite a few   I may split them out if I get around to adding a "clear all advanced logs" button or something like that.

[KDR_11k]

If it has infinite range, then its a sniper shot.  Several railgun/railcannon types don't have infinite range.  But now that I realize which ones you mean; yea, those do.

Does that include the Cursed Golem with its 603k range?

[TechSY730]

If it has infinite range, then its a sniper shot.  Several railgun/railcannon types don't have infinite range.  But now that I realize which ones you mean; yea, those do.

Does that include the Cursed Golem with its 603k range?

Nope. Only those with 999000 or so range (or more) count for infinite range. So the cursed golem neatley sidesteps this.
This is also how ion canons and OMDs sidestep sniper immunity.

[Cinth]

If it has infinite range, then its a sniper shot.  Several railgun/railcannon types don't have infinite range.  But now that I realize which ones you mean; yea, those do.

Does that include the Cursed Golem with its 603k range?

Nope. Only those with 999000 or so range (or more) count for infinite range. So the cursed golem neatley sidesteps this.
This is also how ion canons and OMDs sidestep sniper immunity.

Aren't all sniper types shooting railgun ammo (Sentinel Frigate with energy wave an exception)?
OMD => Mass Driver, Ion Cannon => Ion Beam, CG => Energy Burst, Artillery G => Artillery

[Kahuna]

BTW Is Mass Drivers', Ion Cannons' and.. "eye ball things one shotting cloaked things" damage reduced by forcefields?

[TechSY730]

BTW Is Mass Drivers', Ion Cannons' and.. "eye ball things one shotting cloaked things" damage reduced by forcefields?

Yes to all, but the mass driver is only cut by 25% instead of 75%, like flaks and lightning turrets. (The description was never updated to reflect that though)
However, 25% of insta-kill (infinite damage) is still infinite. Thus, ion canons and the counter spies still insta kill under a forcefield. Only if their shots don't insta-kill (like an ion cannon shooting something of a higher mark than it) does the normal damage rules apply, and you see the reduction (100 damage -> 25 damage)

[Kahuna]

Is engine damage (Ion Cannons, Riots) reduced by forcefields too?

[TechSY730]

Is engine damage (Ion Cannons, Riots) reduced by forcefields too?

Not to my knowledge. Only HP damage is reduced by forcefield damage reduction. Engine damage, armor damage (aka. rotting), and other types of damage are not impacted by it.
This can be very useful at times.

[KDR_11k]

Then agaion engine damage auto-repairs so fast that it's hardly worth it.

[TechSY730]

Then agaion engine damage auto-repairs so fast that it's hardly worth it.

Not quite. Unlike armor damage, but like HP auto-regen effects, engine damage has a delay between last hit and auto-repair starts. This means that the ion cannon's small engine damage can add up if it keeps shooting. And its not all that small, its just a little less than the sniper turret's. Fleet ship engine heath tends to be in the hundreds, which is pretty easily depleted.

[keith.lamothe]

Then agaion engine damage auto-repairs so fast that it's hardly worth it.

The amount of still-ongoing Riot ED cheese strongly disagrees with you

But now its impact is tactical, rather than strategic.

[keith.lamothe]

Locking this one down as it's looking pretty decided.  The Intercontinental Ballistic Nerfbats have launched and locked on to the  Autobombcolonyship and Zombards.

Thanks for the feedback, as always