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Offline Shrugging Khan

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Re: Oh, where to buy
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2011, 12:59:48 pm »
Gamersgate worked without hitches via PP. And I got the Spire pre-order.
Wohooo! Yay me! Now if only all the damned fiddling around hadn't left me without time to actually play.

So steam be fuqued. That thing just can't be relied upon.

Edit: No, seriously, I can't stand steam. It didn't let me play TF2 for two months because the servers were supposedly busy all the time. And now this...that's just not the kind of software I can get behind.
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Re: Oh, where to buy
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2011, 01:19:03 pm »
What happens on/with TF2 has nothing to with Steam, Steam may be owned by Valve as does TF2, it still doesnt mean TF2 is owned/ran by Steam.

I really can understand your attitude towards Steam, it took me 'getting fooled' to install it and use it after which I flamed it several times. Though in the end I do find it usefull with the note that it is mostly aimed at the default-user(where do I find the 'next'-key? !!) and hogs some unneeded resources. However most of the issues you will experiance in steam are not caused by or could be solved by steam, like what you see with TF2.

Anyway, if you already bought it elsewhere it is all good :) I was just trying to get you to buy the darn game, and using steam myself ...  8)

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Re: Oh, where to buy
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2011, 01:25:35 pm »
Haha...well, bought it is. And WHOA. That's a lot of new stuff (I only knew FC and ZR so far...version 3.1xx methinks).

I really hope the wiki is up to the task of explaining all this to me...I mean, what's a Viral Cluster? Preservation Warden? Spire Mining Ships? I'm not even playing yet and I'm totally overloaded!  ;D

At least I know what a next button is  ;)
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Re: Oh, where to buy
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2011, 01:30:54 pm »
I think the AI runs the wiki, you will find no relief there ;)  Well, maybe, though I'm not sure if there are articles on those items.
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Re: Oh, where to buy
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2011, 01:37:33 pm »
I was very opposed to steam when it first came around. I was used to many years of playing on the WON network and it was just fine, thank you very much. (I may be showing my age here... heh) I didn't understand what possible benefit could be had by forcing me to use some new silly program to run my games, and by having to worry about extra resources being used by it and so on. I have to say, though, that it's entirely won me over since then. The convenience of having all my games in one spot, and the ability to delete the game content if I don't want to play it now with the full knowledge that I can get it later on (from any computer, anywhere, and with all my saves and settings stored in the Steam cloud) by just clicking to download it again... that's just something I wouldn't want to give up. And the automatic updating to the latest version without having to go find a slow download from some random website and hoping that it's the right version. Not to mention the ridiculously good sales that Steam runs periodically, from which I now get 99% of my games. Now I find myself wishing that every media distribution platform would become more Steam-like. The idea of going to a store to get a hard copy of a game seems inconvenient and quaintly old-fashioned to me now.

I can understand some of the antipathy towards it still. I do occasionally get the 'game not available at this time' bug, but much less frequently than I did a few years back. And every time, just trying to launch the game again will fix it for me. If it did happen all the time, I would of course be more upset about it. And no matter how much it's sugar-coated, it is still DRM which is a four-letter word where I come from. But it's the most convenient and user-friendly DRM I've ever seen, so I really don't take issue with this. What I do hate is developers that put their games up on steam and yet don't bother to remove their other terrible draconian DRM from the games. (Ubisoft, I'm looking at you) And it may be naive, but I still believe that Valve is essentially a good company at heart. In the incredibly unlikely event that the company were to fold one day I believe they would remove the call home to the Steam servers and unlock all everyone's games rather than leaving players with a bunch of unplayable games. (Not least because I'm sure there would be easy grounds for a class action lawsuit in that case) So that's my pro-Steam rant. Carry on.

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Re: Oh, where to buy
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2011, 02:59:00 pm »
Steam is very convenient, but you're completely dependent on it for most games purchased through it. If your account is banned, if the service goes down, if Valve changes the terms of service in a way you don't like, you're simply out any games you own on the service. The client is slow and clunky, offline mode (while better than it has been historically) is still not as reliable as I'd like, in general of all the DD services I find Steam gets between me and my games more often than any other. Given a DRM-free option straight from the developer, I'll always take it, it's best for me and it ensures the devs get the maximum profit from my purchase (rather than Steam/Impulse/whoever taking their 30% cut). Barring that the order goes something like GOG > Direct2Drive DRM Free games > Gamersgate > other D2D games > Impulse (a client, but a less intrusive one) > Steam (an intrusive client). I'll still buy from Steam, but only at steep discounts as a result of the number of strings attached. More than any other service, it provides something more closely resembling a game rental than a purchase. Something like Ubisoft's "online all the time" DRM/store thing is, in turn, much worse than Steam, and not something I'll give a dime to.

All that said, in AI War's case it almost doesn't matter where you get it as far as DRM, since codes acquired through direct purchase (and other stores) register on Steam and Impulse, codes purchased through Steam and Impulse (and anywhere else, I gather) register with the DRM-free client for the devs, and so really you can get any version you want by way of having bought it most anywhere. This is very much the best of all worlds, as you can (for example) use the nice community features of the Steam client without being beholden to it to be able to run your game.

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Re: Oh, where to buy
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2011, 03:06:11 pm »
Steam is, in short, a very convenient way to get hemoroids. No, I'm not kidding. Steam is an excellently easy way of getting games you love at often very low prices and (most of the time) an instant download.

That being said, Steam is also a buggy piece of crap that tends to get hickups more often than women have periods...okay, that's not very often, but you get my jist.
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Re: Oh, where to buy
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2011, 03:11:33 pm »
You seem to have a very biological opinion of steam ;)
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Re: Oh, where to buy
« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2011, 05:20:15 pm »
Well, I suppose I'm also pissed at Valve because they turned my beloved TF2 into a capitalist nightmare  >:(

That said, I really don't play any of those big AAA titles, and a lot of my games are...I dread to call them 'indie' (what a pretentious term!). They're simply on my hard drive, as files with no online shenanigans, and not on steam or somesuch. So I don't see the appeal of having to use meddling middleman software.

Also, I hate it when a programme keeps shouting "BUY BUY BUY SPEND MONEY FASTER FASTER BUY MORE!" at me.
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Re: Oh, where to buy
« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2011, 05:23:49 pm »
I love TF2.  It's been a while since I played but for a couple months my leisure time (aside from hobby programming) was almost all spent as a sniper standing in one particular spot on koth_nucleus headshotting a bunch of lowest-level AI bots.  Very little challenge (except accuracy; those pyros like to jink on the control point), very little thought, massively therapeutic.  I just didn't have the mental cycles left for something like AI War.
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Re: Oh, where to buy
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2011, 05:30:19 pm »
I know what you mean -- I used to snipe bots with my wife on Facing Worlds and Facing Worlds II back in Unreal Tournament.  I used to play counterstrike and day of defeat a ton with my college roommate and a bit with my wife, too.  More lately it was left 4 dead, and then left 4 dead 2.  Then minecraft.  Lately our game time has been all Donkey Kong Country returns, although that game is hard (in a good way).
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Re: Oh, where to buy
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2011, 05:32:01 pm »
TF2 is my go to game every few months. It's a very bipolar relationship though. It seems that I'm either not playing it at all, or playing it 6 hours a day. All the additions don't bother me, I'm fine with variety, and none of the new weapons are horribly unbalanced. The new effects do keep dropping my framerate though, and eyestrain headaches from low fps are aggravating, especially on a game that's approaching 4 years old now.

Even the in-game store doesn't bother me, since anything that has gameplay value can always be acquired just by playing the game enough and waiting for drops or crafting stuff together. If they ever introduced a purchase-only weapon, that would be the day that I would start getting upset. Plus when I found out that they gave a huge cut of the profits from those recently added weapons to the people who created the original models for those weapons, I was all for it. The recent change to allow you buy special stamps that you can apply to a stamp hat to show your support for certain maps I also thought was fantastic. Of course I know many of those mapmakers from various online communities, so the idea of them getting their own payday is absolutely something I can get behind.

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Re: Oh, where to buy
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2011, 08:15:33 pm »
I have to say, I haven't had one problem with Steam since I got it.  Which makes all these comments about it weird to me. 

Now if there is a company I want to shove up something...*ahem*.  Its Ubisoft and that (@&*%@)(%29875)@(*&#%)(@*& DRM. 

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Re: Oh, where to buy
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2011, 08:44:14 pm »
Steam is fantastic, but not without it's own little annoyances.

Actually, I'm not sure if anyone has brought it up before, but I am so incredibly grateful that the update tool for AI War works even behind my absurdly restrictive campus security - many thanks for that!