No supply for Golem on owned planet?

[Spikey00]

Quick question:  I'm just wondering why one of my golems is reporting a "no supply" from a planet that I own and have supply to?  Unless I have missed something, I don't see anything disrupting supply other than some trains and fighters.

The Black Widow is at Meltunemas in the attached save.

[x4000]

Yep, while you were away the golems changed.

Check the popup notes again on them, but the golems don't get supply like other ships (most of them, anyway).  They get supply from enemy warp gates, and so have to be within one hop of those in order to function.

[Spikey00]

Oh, that makes sense now--missed the change of supply condition.

Thanks Chris!

[Fox Soul]

It also works on the AI worm hole thingies that are on AI home worlds and from the back door AI.

[superking]

how do they work with the new warp jumper AI?

[Diazo]

I would expect no change on the warp jumper AI to make this one of the things that playing a game against that AI type means and also because you want to avoid the "it works like this, expect when..." exceptions as much as possible.

That pretty much does regulate golems to being not used, or it could make them even more useful since the wave multiplier it actually *less* of a worry against that AI type.

Golems are on my to experiment with list once their changes in 3.181 hit so we'll see.

D.

[superking]

I would expect no change on the warp jumper AI to make this one of the things that playing a game against that AI type means and also because you want to avoid the "it works like this, expect when..." exceptions as much as possible.

That pretty much does regulate golems to being not used, or it could make them even more useful since the wave multiplier it actually *less* of a worry against that AI type.

Golems are on my to experiment with list once their changes in 3.181 hit so we'll see.

D.

er,

to clarify what I actually was talking about, how does golem supply work when there are no warpgates on the map/units can warp in from anywhere? are they perma in supply, or perma out?

[Diazo]

Oh, I was assuming you meant a game setup with 1 Warp Jumper and 1 other AI.

If both are Warp Jumpers then golem's would never be in supply and might as well not exist for that game. (with current supply logic.)

I still see this as a case of one of the adaptations you make against different AI types. IE: A mad bomber AI, fighters have a lot higher priority then they normally do, but you don't change how fighters behave just because a Mad Bomber AI is on the map.

Yes, it means golems would exist on the map and be useless, but just don't use them then.

If it's really an issue, probably the simplest is to change the map generation so that golems can only spawn on planets that have warp gates.

Changing how a unit behaves based on which AI types you are playing against is a really bad idea in my opinion.

D.

[zebramatt]

Yep, while you were away the golems changed.

Check the popup notes again on them, but the golems don't get supply like other ships (most of them, anyway).  They get supply from enemy warp gates, and so have to be within one hop of those in order to function.

Would I be correct in assuming that current functionality isn't "within one hop of"; but actually "on the same planet as" an enemy warp gate?

[x4000]

I'm not aware of it being such.  If you have a save that shows that, please do put it in mantis.

[zebramatt]

I do and will!

[x4000]

Thanks!