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Offline Alex Heartnet

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MKV Fabs not recognising ship complexity settings
« on: July 21, 2014, 11:27:40 pm »
Once upon a time I started an AAR with an unusual setting.



I knew of this Eye Bot Fab I found for a while, but it didn't quite occur to me this unit isn't on the list of valid picks.



What gives?  Is this part of a devious plan to get rookies to use unit types that they otherwise won't get to use?
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Offline Niwantaw

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Re: MKV Fabs not recognising ship complexity settings
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2014, 11:31:58 pm »
Pretty sure fabs are never restricted.

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Re: MKV Fabs not recognising ship complexity settings
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2014, 12:05:03 am »
Open STATS --> Galaxy Stats to see if you really have Simple ship settings. If you do.. you have found a bug.
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Re: MKV Fabs not recognising ship complexity settings
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2014, 02:43:05 am »
Quote from: Kahuna on July 22, 2014, 12:05:03 am
Open STATS --> Galaxy Stats to see if you really have Simple ship settings. If you do.. you have found a bug.

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Re: MKV Fabs not recognising ship complexity settings
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2014, 06:31:46 am »
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Re: MKV Fabs not recognising ship complexity settings
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2014, 02:16:36 pm »
In theory, yes, it'd be nice for it to respect those restrictions even for fabs.  In practice I'm not sure simple _has_ enough bonus ship types for the number of fabs normally seeded.  Especially without all the expansions enabled.
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Re: MKV Fabs not recognising ship complexity settings
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2014, 11:57:50 pm »
Does it _need_ to have enough?
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Offline Histidine

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Re: MKV Fabs not recognising ship complexity settings
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2014, 07:50:30 am »
That Simple list has 13 ships, and AFAIK all are base game. How many fabs at maximum are seeded?
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Re: MKV Fabs not recognising ship complexity settings
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2014, 09:23:15 am »
Why not have multiples of same ship fab, and if you capture more than 1 it increase your cap? At least at this setting only?
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Re: MKV Fabs not recognising ship complexity settings
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2014, 10:53:19 am »
I would agree that the risk of not having enough unique fabricators to ensure that there are plenty with ship types you don't already have is worth the benefit of having ship complexity settings always obeyed. Also, do fabricators obey ship type disabling (like no Mk. V spire maws when swallowers are disabled)?

Also, is this in any way tied to AI Mk. V unlocks sometimes being able to bypass ship type disabling (like Mk. V powerslavers for the AI when swallowers are disabled, as one person reported)?
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Re: MKV Fabs not recognising ship complexity settings
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2014, 03:09:53 am »
I know that if you disable swallowers that the AI will STILL get Starship Dissembler Guardians. Even though I can't get any type of swallowing unit. I've run plenty of games with swallowers turned off, and I've never seen an ARS or Fab spawn that would give me a Maw. Always see the previously mentioned PAIN IN MY @$$ guardians though.
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Re: MKV Fabs not recognising ship complexity settings
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2014, 09:10:48 am »
Quote from: ZaneWolfe on July 27, 2014, 03:09:53 am
I know that if you disable swallowers that the AI will STILL get Starship Dissembler Guardians.
I've not yet been able to find a setup where I can reproduce that bug (the AI unlocking a swallowing unit despite the toggle), or swallowing units being picked for exos in such a case, etc.  I guess I can give it another look this week.
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Re: MKV Fabs not recognising ship complexity settings
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2014, 05:24:54 pm »
Weird. It seems like several people have reproduced it. Can one of the people here give a save file I suppose?
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Re: MKV Fabs not recognising ship complexity settings
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2014, 12:00:21 am »
I'm pretty sure I've seen this bug a couple of times too. The easiest and the fastest way to replicate this bug would be to start a new game with cheats and build insane brick wall defenses on your Homeworld and use the get angry cheat so the AIs get more Guardian unlocks. Perhaps vs 10/10 difficulty. Higher difficulty level gives the AIs more unlocks? Or?
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Re: MKV Fabs not recognising ship complexity settings
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2014, 12:59:14 pm »
Quote from: Kahuna on July 28, 2014, 12:00:21 am
Higher difficulty level gives the AIs more unlocks? Or?
To some extent with the initial picks, I'm not sure if it makes them get picks-during-the-game any faster.
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