Mixed mark reinformcements?

[TechSY730]

Anyone else noticing that the AI is getting mixed mark reinforcements?
This seems a bit odd, as Keith has said that the new mixed mark stuff is supposed to only impact waves.


Sadly, I did not have reinforcement logging turned on at the time, so there is no log for me to post.

[keith.lamothe]

It shouldn't be doing that, let me know if you do get a log/save of it happening.  There're a lot of things that could make it look like that's what's happening.

[TechSY730]

It shouldn't be doing that, let me know if you do get a log/save of it happening.  There're a lot of things that could make it look like that's what's happening.

I'll turn on reinforcement logging later tonight and post it up here, pointing out a Mk. IV planet that I saw going few guarding ships to lots of guarding ships, some of them being lower marks than Mk. IV.

[Toranth]

It shouldn't be doing that, let me know if you do get a log/save of it happening.  There're a lot of things that could make it look like that's what's happening.

I'll turn on reinforcement logging later tonight and post it up here, pointing out a Mk. IV planet that I saw going few guarding ships to lots of guarding ships, some of them being lower marks than Mk. IV.

I saw this too, but I thought it was deliberate, like the mixed-wave marks.  In my case, I was very surprised to discover a few Mk V ships hanging around on a Mk IV world.  I'll see if I can find a save or log of this occuring.

[TechSY730]

Well, I haven't been able to reproduce the mixed mark reinforcements so far, but it is pretty trivial to show mixed mark guards at game seed. I'll see if I can "cook one up".

As for the Mk. V ships on the Mk. IV worlds, there is actually a pretty good mechanic to explain that, Mk. upgrade "trade-ins", where the AI can scrap 2 ships of a ship type Mk. N to get 1 ship of that ship type Mk. N+1. Among other things, it helps keep the number of ships in the game pruned a little bit.

[Diazo]

Is this actually something new?

When I look at a planet in the galaxy summary it has always had most ships on the planet the mark level of the planet but there is always a scattering of ships of different marks.

Hmm, I just checked the oldest save I have which is from October 2010 (no clue which patch version) and it looks like 5 to 10% of the ships on a planet are of a different mark level then said planet.

Checking my most recent game actually gives a lower number of 3 to 5% of the ships on a planet being a different mark. (I'm ignore ships of mark 'Other' for this.)

That matches with what I remember, in that most ships on a planet will be of the planets mark level but there is always a small number of ships that are not.

D.

[keith.lamothe]

Sure, different marks on a planet is fine, but when a planet is reinforced they should be getting ships of the planet's mark.

[Diazo]

Oh, slightly different question.

I use the galaxy summary for determining what mark of ships are defending a planet, I'm usually out far enough I don't see the actual reinforcing ships individually so I went with what I'm familiar with.

The reinforcement log is the best place to get the answer to this I expect.

D.

[Bognor]

One way I can imagine this happening: apparently the Turtle and other AI types that don't get waves actually do get "waves" that work as reinforcements.  If the mixed-mark mechanic applies to those "waves" you could presumably get mixed-mark reinforcements.

[keith.lamothe]

One way I can imagine this happening: apparently the Turtle and other AI types that don't get waves actually do get "waves" that work as reinforcements.  If the mixed-mark mechanic applies to those "waves" you could presumably get mixed-mark reinforcements.

Hmm, yea, that could do it.  That would be fine.  But I don't recall if Turtle actually functions that way.