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Offline jordot42

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Liking the new plasma starship
« on: March 20, 2012, 05:31:18 pm »
I really like watching my plasmas shoot their 400,000 damage points into lowly fighters and infiltrators and other such rabble.

I really like pumping 2,000,000 damage into guardposts and opposing starships in a single volley (or 6,000,000 with capped mk1 and mk2).

I love watching multiple ships blow up simultaneously behind their protective forcefield.

My fleet blobs are even more fun than before with plasmas in them.  Watching the cool lightning graphic followed by slowed ships just waiting
for the rest of my fleet to easily destroy is exciting.

And this is the first starship that I'm excited to upgrade.  Nice job on the improvements!

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Re: Liking the new plasma starship
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2012, 05:35:48 pm »
Glad to know someone likes them :)
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Re: Liking the new plasma starship
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2012, 05:46:36 pm »
I still think that the engine damage should be subject to "AOE decay" (the non-direct target takes less) like the ordinary damage currently is. Having large numbers of fleet ships instantly slowed to a crawl from one shot unavoidably is kind of silly.
Also, I think a slight HP nerf might be in order. (And I am not just saying this for my annoyance with AI plasma sieges, but also I think mine are living through things that it seems like it shouldn't)

Other than that, I really like them too.

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Re: Liking the new plasma starship
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2012, 06:15:31 pm »
large numbers of fleet ships instantly slowed to a crawl from one shot unavoidably is kind of silly
A single shot only hits 15.

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Also, I think a slight HP nerf might be in order.
They kept getting more hp until people stopped saying they had too little hp, and now have more cap-hp than just about anything in the fleet-ship or starship (or possibly even turret, I forget) categories.  This will probably change :)
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Re: Liking the new plasma starship
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2012, 06:22:33 pm »
My sarcasm detector's going crazy on this post.  I don't know what to think.

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Re: Liking the new plasma starship
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2012, 06:25:05 pm »
My sarcasm detector's going crazy on this post.  I don't know what to think.
Same for me.

But he seems sincere...don't know if X or just Y.
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Re: Liking the new plasma starship
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2012, 06:29:48 pm »
My sarcasm detector's going crazy on this post.  I don't know what to think.
Same for me.

But he seems sincere...don't know if X or just Y.

I you are talking about my post, I was serious on both counts. Sadly, italics can mean either emphasis or sarcasm. Sometimes emphasized sarcasm.

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Re: Liking the new plasma starship
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2012, 06:42:55 pm »
Plasma Siege Starships are in good shape.  They feel starshippy.   They cause you to have to think about how to deal with engine damage.  (bring in repair engineers or scrap everything?) Are they the zippy masters of doom Raid Starships used to be or the planet clearing machines that Zenith Starships used to be?  Not even close.   They have problems getting away or closing due to their speed - which is perfect for a higher health target in my opinion.


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Re: Liking the new plasma starship
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2012, 06:50:28 pm »
Plasma Siege Starships are in good shape.  They feel starshippy.   They cause you to have to think about how to deal with engine damage.  (bring in repair engineers or scrap everything?) Are they the zippy masters of doom Raid Starships used to be or the planet clearing machines that Zenith Starships used to be?  Not even close.   They have problems getting away or closing due to their speed - which is perfect for a higher health target in my opinion.

Well, if the relative bulkiness is to stay, then their description should be updated. Right now, their description says they are fragile, which is currently not true.

I think this also shows that, generally speaking, the standard starships could use a bit more bulk. (except for raid starships, of course)

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Re: Liking the new plasma starship
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2012, 06:56:36 pm »
Please do not nerf that ship for a little while. I'm still getting used to it.
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Re: Liking the new plasma starship
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2012, 06:59:29 pm »
It's nice to have a ship that feels like a starship, able to provide a role fleetships cannot provide at a cheaper cost.

The effects described by the player applies to the ai as well. I know have every game where engine damage is noticed, as it should be.

Rather then have the siege ship be nerfed, i want the other starships to be buffed. Why nerf a starship that is finally has a use better then a fleetship.
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Re: Liking the new plasma starship
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2012, 07:07:03 pm »
Rather then have the siege ship be nerfed, i want the other starships to be buffed. Why nerf a starship that is finally has a use better then a fleetship.

Yea, I hate to say this after all the buffs miltary starships have been through, but they still don't feel worth it. (again, except for raid starships and plasma siege starships)

Remember that post about your balance goals for ship types "utility" relative to "average" fleet ships based on ship "tier". Well, whatever the utility ratio of plasma seige starships to the "baseline fleetsship utility" should be the new target goal for starships. Rebalance the other starships to that goal.

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Re: Liking the new plasma starship
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2012, 07:53:39 pm »
Sometimes I really don't know what to make of player feedback :)

Anyway, not seeing a need to change the sieges.  Glad some folks like them :)
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Re: Liking the new plasma starship
« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2012, 08:31:29 pm »
Sometimes I really don't know what to make of player feedback :)

Anyway, not seeing a need to change the sieges.  Glad some folks like them :)

The recent change to Zenith starships and Spire starships made them better now that their stats actually increase sanely. However, their recent change made them less useful now that they don't have their own "feel"

I really love the new starship changes and I feel like actually using them now that they seem worth it, but they still don't seem worth it yet.

Plasma siege starships feel too durable, but they feel just right in terms of durability.

You mean confusing feedback like this? ;D

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Re: Liking the new plasma starship
« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2012, 08:36:05 pm »
You mean confusing feedback like this? ;D
Oh, if I see your name then I expect it ;)
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